From: Dane Newman (dane.newman@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 23 2008 - 14:00:34 ARST
Of course your right scott to wait to see the requirements. Cisco does take
care of there partners and certified professionals better then any other
company.
I just hope you won't have to take an 8 hour lab in a vue testing center lol
Dane
On Jan 23, 2008 10:09 AM, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> That's always a possibility, but I'd think of it more as an expanded set
> of requirements. If the requirement before was to have four experts who
> could implement/troubleshoot networks, why would it make sense to replace
> them with someone who can do design (see earlier point about designer !=
> implementer necessarily). I would think this may become an EXTRA
> requirement. 4 CCIE's + a CCDE.
>
> It's all early anyway, so it's easier not to get all up in arms about
> something until we know we're getting screwed somehow! :) (Which I don't
> think will be happening anyway!)
>
> Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:02 AM
> *To:* smorris@ipexpert.com
> *Cc:* Brant I. Stevens; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: CCDE Goes Live
>
> Scott,
>
> I agree with you about your point of they are different skill sets and
> both hold value.
>
> Why I feel it might devalue the CCIE a bit is because part of the value of
> the CCIE is the partner requirements. If the CCDE is able to full fill the
> 4 CCIE requirements then it might mean less demand to employ CCIE's full
> time.
>
> Dane
>
> On Jan 23, 2008 9:49 AM, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > What's the potential for devalue? CCIE is an implementation or "doing"
> > exam. CCDE is a design exam.
> >
> > Now, if an employer WANTS to have someone with a CCIE + CCDE, how is
> > that a
> > devalue? That is just multiple areas of expertise.
> >
> > Not everyone who can do implementation can design a large network.
> > Likewise, not everyone who can design can actually configure the
> > specifics.
> >
> > Think of it as different tracks, or complimentary certs. It certainly
> > isn't
> > a devaluation!
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE-M
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dane
> > Newman
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:13 PM
> > To: Brant I. Stevens
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCDE Goes Live
> >
> > So Is the CCDE going to devalue the CCIE at all? Will cisco require 4
> > CCIE's/CCDE now?
> >
> > doing a design lab seems alittle less scary no?
> >
> > Dane
> >
> > On Jan 22, 2008 9:21 AM, Brant I. Stevens <branto@branto.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just thought I'd share...
> > >
> > > http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080122/0350542.html
> > >
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