From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Wed Jan 23 2008 - 13:09:46 ARST
That's always a possibility, but I'd think of it more as an expanded set of
requirements. If the requirement before was to have four experts who could
implement/troubleshoot networks, why would it make sense to replace them
with someone who can do design (see earlier point about designer !=
implementer necessarily). I would think this may become an EXTRA
requirement. 4 CCIE's + a CCDE.
It's all early anyway, so it's easier not to get all up in arms about
something until we know we're getting screwed somehow! :) (Which I don't
think will be happening anyway!)
Scott
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From: Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:02 AM
To: smorris@ipexpert.com
Cc: Brant I. Stevens; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCDE Goes Live
Scott,
I agree with you about your point of they are different skill sets and both
hold value.
Why I feel it might devalue the CCIE a bit is because part of the value of
the CCIE is the partner requirements. If the CCDE is able to full fill the
4 CCIE requirements then it might mean less demand to employ CCIE's full
time.
Dane
On Jan 23, 2008 9:49 AM, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
What's the potential for devalue? CCIE is an implementation or "doing"
exam. CCDE is a design exam.
Now, if an employer WANTS to have someone with a CCIE + CCDE, how is that a
devalue? That is just multiple areas of expertise.
Not everyone who can do implementation can design a large network.
Likewise, not everyone who can design can actually configure the specifics.
Think of it as different tracks, or complimentary certs. It certainly isn't
a devaluation!
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Dane
Newman
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:13 PM
To: Brant I. Stevens
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCDE Goes Live
So Is the CCDE going to devalue the CCIE at all? Will cisco require 4
CCIE's/CCDE now?
doing a design lab seems alittle less scary no?
Dane
On Jan 22, 2008 9:21 AM, Brant I. Stevens <branto@branto.com> wrote:
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