From: Paul Borghese (pborghese@groupstudy.com)
Date: Mon Jan 14 2008 - 22:08:19 ARST
Ok, I need help tracking down the problem. I am not seeing the duplicates,
so I will need someone who has to help.
I need to have someone find a duplicated message and send me the headers of
the duplicate and the original message. Please make sure the headers are
different. If they are the exact same ... then we do not have a duplication
problem on GroupStudy, but a problem at your local end. Most likely you
simply downloaded the same message twice.
The complete e-mail header should be at minimum 25 lines and include
multiple received: lines. If what you are sending does not have a received:
field, then you are not looking at the complete e-mail header (i.e. there is
more to a header then a to:/from:/subject: line).
Once I receive the header of the duplicate, I will be able to tell the rogue
e-mail server and filter accordingly.
Thanks for your help,
Paul Borghese
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Kim
teu
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:07 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Scott Morris; Darby Weaver; keith tokash; Joseph Brunner; Hoogen; Wael
Mahmood; ccielab@groupstudy.com; pborghese@groupstudy.com
Subject: ccielab groupstudy list duplicating message
it's not just you. I noticed the same thing last night. I saw the same
messages that I have deleted....more duplicates came in today....
On 1/12/08, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>
> Is it just me, or is the list spitting back messages a few days late
> again???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'keith tokash'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael
> Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> While I can't comment about all the points you list, be very careful about
> the sweeping "other vendors" part in point #1. After spending many 10pm,
> 11pm, midnite (usually 1am I kick anyone out who's still working so that
> we
> won't be TOO grumpy in the morning), I do kinda resent being lumped into
> that.
>
> Not all classes "need" to go that late. (At least in my case) I leave it
> up
> to students to work from wherever. I always guarantee to be on e-mail
> until
> at least 1am (which is why I'm often accused of not sleeping), so students
> can feel free to work from wherever they are more comfortable.
>
> While it may very well be that Narbik and I are the only two ADD/Insomniac
> instructors out there, it seems highly unlikely. I don't have experience
> with other vendors to say one way or the other as you do, but I would
> still
> caution against lumping EVERYONE together in statements like that!
>
> Just my two cents. Back to sleep now. Oh, damn. Students in class.
> Caffeine. Good. :)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE-M
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:22 PM
> To: keith tokash; Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> Some of the things I think that is noticeably different about Narbik's
> Bootcamp versus others are:
>
> 1. 9AM to Midnight with the Instructor - Other vendors stop at 5-6pm and
> leave students to their own devices.
>
> 2. One-on-one attention on a candidates issues and deficiencies. I've
> heard
> of at least one other bootcamp that has two instructors dedicated per
> sstudent (so I hear), but at other bootcamps, if a student has "too many"
> deficiencies, then a student may or may not get sufficient instructor
> attention.
> Resulting in varying value to each student per bootcamp. Hmmm... Not
> naming names here but it is wrth mentioning.
>
> 3. Narbik is said to focus on basics and fundamentals
> - well that is what the CCIE Lab consists of, so this
> has value. As a veteran Boot Camp attendee at this
> point, I can tell you that I've seen students (and yes me too) flounder
> for
> (blush) several minutes (30 or
> more) to hours on a mis-understood or basic topic. As such I can tell you
> this derails the value of a bootcamp to some students as well.
>
> - Joe has a point here a well-prepared student has little value attending
> a
> bootcamp. However, I'd say based on my personal observations - most
> students are just not that well-prepared - I know it took me two year to
> get
> where I am now and I am thankful for the experiences. Still acknowledging
> I
> have a bit to go.
>
> Ok got a problem to resolve...
>
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