From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jan 13 2008 - 05:20:52 ARST
Yep i think its the forum.
On 1/11/08, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>
> Is it just me, or is the list spitting back messages a few days late
> again???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'keith tokash'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael
> Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> While I can't comment about all the points you list, be very careful about
> the sweeping "other vendors" part in point #1. After spending many 10pm,
> 11pm, midnite (usually 1am I kick anyone out who's still working so that
> we
> won't be TOO grumpy in the morning), I do kinda resent being lumped into
> that.
>
> Not all classes "need" to go that late. (At least in my case) I leave it
> up
> to students to work from wherever. I always guarantee to be on e-mail
> until
> at least 1am (which is why I'm often accused of not sleeping), so students
> can feel free to work from wherever they are more comfortable.
>
> While it may very well be that Narbik and I are the only two ADD/Insomniac
> instructors out there, it seems highly unlikely. I don't have experience
> with other vendors to say one way or the other as you do, but I would
> still
> caution against lumping EVERYONE together in statements like that!
>
> Just my two cents. Back to sleep now. Oh, damn. Students in class.
> Caffeine. Good. :)
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:22 PM
> To: keith tokash; Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> Some of the things I think that is noticeably different about Narbik's
> Bootcamp versus others are:
>
> 1. 9AM to Midnight with the Instructor - Other vendors stop at 5-6pm and
> leave students to their own devices.
>
> 2. One-on-one attention on a candidates issues and deficiencies. I've
> heard
> of at least one other bootcamp that has two instructors dedicated per
> sstudent (so I hear), but at other bootcamps, if a student has "too many"
> deficiencies, then a student may or may not get sufficient instructor
> attention.
> Resulting in varying value to each student per bootcamp. Hmmm... Not
> naming names here but it is wrth mentioning.
>
> 3. Narbik is said to focus on basics and fundamentals
> - well that is what the CCIE Lab consists of, so this
> has value. As a veteran Boot Camp attendee at this
> point, I can tell you that I've seen students (and yes me too) flounder
> for
> (blush) several minutes (30 or
> more) to hours on a mis-understood or basic topic. As such I can tell you
> this derails the value of a bootcamp to some students as well.
>
> - Joe has a point here a well-prepared student has little value attending
> a
> bootcamp. However, I'd say based on my personal observations - most
> students are just not that well-prepared - I know it took me two year to
> get
> where I am now and I am thankful for the experiences. Still acknowledging
> I
> have a bit to go.
>
> Ok got a problem to resolve...
>
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.MicronicsTraining.com Sr. Technical Instructor www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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