From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Jan 10 2008 - 19:41:06 ARST
Naturally there are exceptions - and who can speak for
everyone?
--- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> While I can't comment about all the points you list,
> be very careful about
> the sweeping "other vendors" part in point #1.
> After spending many 10pm,
> 11pm, midnite (usually 1am I kick anyone out who's
> still working so that we
> won't be TOO grumpy in the morning), I do kinda
> resent being lumped into
> that.
>
> Not all classes "need" to go that late. (At least
> in my case) I leave it up
> to students to work from wherever. I always
> guarantee to be on e-mail until
> at least 1am (which is why I'm often accused of not
> sleeping), so students
> can feel free to work from wherever they are more
> comfortable.
>
> While it may very well be that Narbik and I are the
> only two ADD/Insomniac
> instructors out there, it seems highly unlikely. I
> don't have experience
> with other vendors to say one way or the other as
> you do, but I would still
> caution against lumping EVERYONE together in
> statements like that!
>
> Just my two cents. Back to sleep now. Oh, damn.
> Students in class.
> Caffeine. Good. :)
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:22 PM
> To: keith tokash; Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael
> Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> Some of the things I think that is noticeably
> different about Narbik's
> Bootcamp versus others are:
>
> 1. 9AM to Midnight with the Instructor - Other
> vendors stop at 5-6pm and
> leave students to their own devices.
>
> 2. One-on-one attention on a candidates issues and
> deficiencies. I've heard
> of at least one other bootcamp that has two
> instructors dedicated per
> sstudent (so I hear), but at other bootcamps, if a
> student has "too many"
> deficiencies, then a student may or may not get
> sufficient instructor
> attention.
> Resulting in varying value to each student per
> bootcamp. Hmmm... Not
> naming names here but it is wrth mentioning.
>
> 3. Narbik is said to focus on basics and
> fundamentals
> - well that is what the CCIE Lab consists of, so
> this
> has value. As a veteran Boot Camp attendee at this
> point, I can tell you that I've seen students (and
> yes me too) flounder for
> (blush) several minutes (30 or
> more) to hours on a mis-understood or basic topic.
> As such I can tell you
> this derails the value of a bootcamp to some
> students as well.
>
> - Joe has a point here a well-prepared student has
> little value attending a
> bootcamp. However, I'd say based on my personal
> observations - most
> students are just not that well-prepared - I know it
> took me two year to get
> where I am now and I am thankful for the
> experiences. Still acknowledging I
> have a bit to go.
>
> Ok got a problem to resolve...
>
>
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