From: Rik Guyler (rguyler@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 11 2008 - 01:19:28 ARST
That's me exactly. When I first started working on Cisco certs back in
the 90's I wasn't nearly so busy. Downsizing, increased complexity,
etc. have all made me much busier in the work place not to mention my
personal life became much more involved when my daughter was born 4
years ago. Doesn't leave much time left over so I have to get the most
bang for the buck.
Rik
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 00:15 -0500, Scott Morris wrote:
> Keep in mind that there are a good number of people out there who only used
> the DocCD, the routers/switches and their own warped sense of humor to pass
> the lab.
>
> I'm not entirely sure where this thread is going, but one of the big things
> people seem to be lacking these days is time. Without the proper time to
> study, it's not nearly as readily accessible to pass the lab for many folks.
> Bootcamps serve a purpose in this aspect to accelerate and/or compress the
> learning curve that people have.
>
> No bootcamp should be the ONLY thing that is necessary to pass the lab. But
> many people are looking for an added value in order to supplement the time
> they are putting in already such that they can continue to work, or have
> family time or whatever it happens to be.
>
> Not everyone has a strong consulting background. Even those that do, many
> come from "niched" consulting opportunities and have a very narrow (but
> deep) set of knowledge coming in. People come from all sorts of different
> backgrounds, but most still have the motivation to learn and soak up any and
> all knowledge that they can!
>
> There just happens to be more information available these days than in
> previous years.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:17 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> Come to think of it the CCNA and CCNP exams were a little more straight
> forward and a lot of commercial materials were readily available, especially
> for these areas.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> The CCIE Written is another under-served area by comparison.
>
> For the CCIE, take away our vendors (who give bootcamps and CCIE Training)
> and we are left with...
>
> The DOC CD and a few Cisco Press Books (the ones with practice labs that are
> a bit dated).
>
>
> --- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't mean to be a stickler here, but why do people take bootcamps?
> >
> > I don't mean to deprive any senior multi-CCIE's of their income... but
> > compared to what is going on the world (quantative financial trading
> > models, programmers building genome analyzing software to look for
> > diseases, cryptanalysts breaking hugo chavez's emails, etc.) is
> > getting the CCIE really that hard?
> >
> > Why not just learn the material, come here, ask questions, go back and
> > learn some more and then pass!
> >
> > I don't think I could stand being in a room where someone raises their
> > hand and asks "what a DHCP option?" or "Why do we use route
> > reflectors?" for 2 seconds, I don't know about you guys!
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:02 AM
> > To: Hoogen; Wael Mahmood
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
> >
> > Well, I've heard of at least 4 passing after having
> > attended his bootcamps so... maybe worth a good
> > look
> > in the archives.
> >
> > I've seen some of his work and it seems simple and to the point.
> >
> > So much that I've got my own travel reservations made to attend in
> > Pasadena in February.
> >
> > Contact me offline if you want to know more.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Darby
> > --- Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Damn...where were you all these days... It's been going on and on .
> > > So much good feedback have been given about Narbik and you missed
> > > it. Just search the archives....
> > >
> > > -Hoogen
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2008 6:47 AM, Wael Mahmood <wmahmood@prosylab.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > X Does any one attend the boot camp R&S with
> > > 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > >
> > > > X Hope anyone can tell me about him and if he
> > is
> > > excellent or not, lab
> > > >
> > > > X Pls tell me all what u know about.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Wael
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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