From: devecchio (dt30083@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 12 2007 - 21:35:37 ART
Oh, btw I must admit I have never been to any other bootcamps.
On Dec 12, 2007 6:31 PM, devecchio <dt30083@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to second that, Narbik is the best. I went when he was with
> CCBOOTCAMP. 12 - 14 hour days and he always looked over your shoulder.. and
> just when u thought u knew it all.... and the comments about his grandmother
> were quite memorable.
>
> Devecchio
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 6:06 PM, Santi <ccnp@texas.net> wrote:
>
> > Narbik tears everything down to the smallest bit and then puts it all
> > back
> > together. Sort of like re-inventing the wheel. His real world
> > experience
> > is very extensive and he proves it in his instruction. He is not about
> > how
> > you can beat the lab. Instead, he is all about making sure that you walk
> > away with a much stronger, if not thorough, understanding of the all the
> > technologies covered in the R&S lab. He wants you to be able to think
> > your
> > way through the lab. Not use CCIE shortcuts and tricks.
> >
> > He will NOT go over the basics of internetworking. You should have this
> > before coming to class and, realistically, if you are not "AT LEAST" at
> > the
> > CCNP level of experience, Narbik's bootcamp or any other company's CCIE
> > bootcamp, will be a waste of time.
> >
> > He has the "Soup to Nuts" book, which is very good, when prepping for
> > the
> > class. The workbook you receive in class is the Advanced CCIE workbook,
> >
> > which is MUCH more extensive than the STN workbook.
> >
> > Classes are 12-14 hours long. By Friday or Saturday, you will probably
> > be
> > in a coma. I slept 12 hours straight after his class.
> >
> > Personality wise, he is pretty laid back and has a very good sense of
> > humor.
> >
> >
> > He does have another site which is http://www.micronicstraining.com
> > The
> > link for the intro price for his class is
> > http://www.micronicstraining.com/ccie-routing-switching-lab.html If
> > you
> > pay for his class, he will allow you to sit the class again, for free.
> > All
> > you have to do is get there. At $2000, I don't know of anyone who can
> > beat
> > this. Especially when it is Narbik who is teaching the class.
> >
> > Like I said, I put him ahead of NetMaster or IE, and these guys are
> > freaky
> > SHARP. Bottom line is, he is the best.
> >
> > My top choice is Narbik first, then NetMaster, then IE.
> >
> > His email address is narbikk@gmail.com and is very active Groupstudy.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Santi
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Amiri Gonzalez [mailto: amiri.gonzalez@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:14 AM
> > To: Santi
> > Subject: Re: Yes or No to CCIE bootcamp? [7:128705]
> >
> > One more question. In your opinion, why is Narbik the best? What is
> > his teaching style? I know that you mentioned that Bruce and Val are
> > more like scientist, so how does Narbik differ? This is great
> > information.
> >
> > On Dec 11, 2007 5:47 PM, Santi < ccnp@texas.net> wrote:
> > > There are really only three you should consider. Narbik Kocharians is
> > > simply the best out there.
> > > Netmasters or IE as a second choice. I would prefer Netmaster over
> > IE. I
> > > have taken classes from all
> > > three. Narbik is the way to go, if you can make it. The guy is like
> > a
> > > freakin Rainman of the CCIE R&S.
> > > Bruce and Val, from NetMasters, approach the CCIE like scientists.
> > >
> > > I have heard good things about Scott Morris, but I don't have any
> > experience
> > > with his material or class.
> > >
> > > My two cents
> > >
> > > Santi
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Amiri Gonzalez
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:44 AM
> > > To: cisco@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Yes or No to CCIE bootcamp? [7:128705]
> > >
> > > I am just curious about a couple of courses that are being offered by
> > > 2 different companies for CCIE training bootcamps.
> > >
> > > 1. www.netmasterclass.net: This one seem reputable considering the
> > > course is taught by Bruce Caslow and Val Pavlichenko as most of us
> > > know already.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. www.xctrain.com/ is another one that I just recently found. I am a
> > > little skeptical because they actually give statistics on how many
> > > people have passed the CCIE. Netmasters mentioned that they can not
> > > give you a real accurate answer considering you can't force everybody
> > > to call back and let them know. When I see stats, I tend to cringe a
> > > little because it just seems like marketing material. What I do like
> > > about it is that it's not a one week cram session as much as this is
> > > once a week for 10 weeks.
> > >
> > > If anybody has any information on this, I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > > Clearly the answer to passing the CCIE is hard work and your own
> > > personal drive with a heart on passing, not the course itself. I am
> > > not looking for a silver bullet but a course that is definitely in the
> >
> > > right direction. To spend that kind of money, even if it is company
> > > sponsered, is absurd to me.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
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