From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Tue Dec 11 2007 - 20:24:49 ART
Then wouldn't that be four to consider? :)
Look at the instructors for the different classes/places taught. Look at
the strategy of teaching style. Look at how things integrate with what you
have already done to prepare or are doing. Look at whether there is any
overlap between practice labs vs. bootcamp labs. Look at equipment used
and hours of access.
It's also good to look at real-world experiences of the people involved.
Teaching technology is hard enough as it is, but being able to relate things
to real-world work can make a huge difference in how things click into your
own mind!
While it is always good to have personal recommendations, always keep in
mind that what works for one person (and their method of thinking) may not
work for you.
I do agree with Amiri, it is hard to really come up with honest statistics
regarding the CCIE program because there are so many variables other than
which bootcamp did you take. Personally, I've never heard of XCTrain or the
instructor before. And I've been around a while. :) Not to mean they
couldn't possibly be great, I've just never heard of them before today.
Do talk to the different companies and/or instructors though. Go based on
what you feel most comfortable with.
HTH,
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
#153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Santi
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'Amiri Gonzalez'; cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Yes or No to CCIE bootcamp? [7:128705]
There are really only three you should consider. Narbik Kocharians is
simply the best out there.
Netmasters or IE as a second choice. I would prefer Netmaster over IE. I
have taken classes from all three. Narbik is the way to go, if you can make
it. The guy is like a freakin Rainman of the CCIE R&S.
Bruce and Val, from NetMasters, approach the CCIE like scientists.
I have heard good things about Scott Morris, but I don't have any experience
with his material or class.
My two cents
Santi
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Amiri Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:44 AM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com
Subject: Yes or No to CCIE bootcamp? [7:128705]
I am just curious about a couple of courses that are being offered by
2 different companies for CCIE training bootcamps.
1. www.netmasterclass.net: This one seem reputable considering the course is
taught by Bruce Caslow and Val Pavlichenko as most of us know already.
2. www.xctrain.com/ is another one that I just recently found. I am a
little skeptical because they actually give statistics on how many people
have passed the CCIE. Netmasters mentioned that they can not give you a
real accurate answer considering you can't force everybody to call back and
let them know. When I see stats, I tend to cringe a little because it just
seems like marketing material. What I do like about it is that it's not a
one week cram session as much as this is once a week for 10 weeks.
If anybody has any information on this, I would greatly appreciate it.
Clearly the answer to passing the CCIE is hard work and your own personal
drive with a heart on passing, not the course itself. I am not looking for
a silver bullet but a course that is definitely in the right direction. To
spend that kind of money, even if it is company sponsered, is absurd to me.
Thanks in advance.
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