From: Santi (ccnp@texas.net)
Date: Wed Dec 12 2007 - 21:06:36 ART
Narbik tears everything down to the smallest bit and then puts it all back
together. Sort of like re-inventing the wheel. His real world experience
is very extensive and he proves it in his instruction. He is not about how
you can beat the lab. Instead, he is all about making sure that you walk
away with a much stronger, if not thorough, understanding of the all the
technologies covered in the R&S lab. He wants you to be able to think your
way through the lab. Not use CCIE shortcuts and tricks.
He will NOT go over the basics of internetworking. You should have this
before coming to class and, realistically, if you are not "AT LEAST" at the
CCNP level of experience, Narbik's bootcamp or any other company's CCIE
bootcamp, will be a waste of time.
He has the "Soup to Nuts" book, which is very good, when prepping for the
class. The workbook you receive in class is the Advanced CCIE workbook,
which is MUCH more extensive than the STN workbook.
Classes are 12-14 hours long. By Friday or Saturday, you will probably be
in a coma. I slept 12 hours straight after his class.
Personality wise, he is pretty laid back and has a very good sense of humor.
He does have another site which is http://www.micronicstraining.com The
link for the intro price for his class is
http://www.micronicstraining.com/ccie-routing-switching-lab.html If you
pay for his class, he will allow you to sit the class again, for free. All
you have to do is get there. At $2000, I don't know of anyone who can beat
this. Especially when it is Narbik who is teaching the class.
Like I said, I put him ahead of NetMaster or IE, and these guys are freaky
SHARP. Bottom line is, he is the best.
My top choice is Narbik first, then NetMaster, then IE.
His email address is narbikk@gmail.com and is very active Groupstudy.
Hope this helps.
Santi
-----Original Message-----
From: Amiri Gonzalez [mailto:amiri.gonzalez@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:14 AM
To: Santi
Subject: Re: Yes or No to CCIE bootcamp? [7:128705]
One more question. In your opinion, why is Narbik the best? What is
his teaching style? I know that you mentioned that Bruce and Val are
more like scientist, so how does Narbik differ? This is great
information.
On Dec 11, 2007 5:47 PM, Santi <ccnp@texas.net> wrote:
> There are really only three you should consider. Narbik Kocharians is
> simply the best out there.
> Netmasters or IE as a second choice. I would prefer Netmaster over IE. I
> have taken classes from all
> three. Narbik is the way to go, if you can make it. The guy is like a
> freakin Rainman of the CCIE R&S.
> Bruce and Val, from NetMasters, approach the CCIE like scientists.
>
> I have heard good things about Scott Morris, but I don't have any
experience
> with his material or class.
>
> My two cents
>
> Santi
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Amiri Gonzalez
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: cisco@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Yes or No to CCIE bootcamp? [7:128705]
>
> I am just curious about a couple of courses that are being offered by
> 2 different companies for CCIE training bootcamps.
>
> 1. www.netmasterclass.net: This one seem reputable considering the
> course is taught by Bruce Caslow and Val Pavlichenko as most of us
> know already.
>
>
>
> 2. www.xctrain.com/ is another one that I just recently found. I am a
> little skeptical because they actually give statistics on how many
> people have passed the CCIE. Netmasters mentioned that they can not
> give you a real accurate answer considering you can't force everybody
> to call back and let them know. When I see stats, I tend to cringe a
> little because it just seems like marketing material. What I do like
> about it is that it's not a one week cram session as much as this is
> once a week for 10 weeks.
>
> If anybody has any information on this, I would greatly appreciate it.
> Clearly the answer to passing the CCIE is hard work and your own
> personal drive with a heart on passing, not the course itself. I am
> not looking for a silver bullet but a course that is definitely in the
> right direction. To spend that kind of money, even if it is company
> sponsered, is absurd to me.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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