From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 18:26:32 ART
Is not all this just a busy time on the CCIE lab front as opposed to an
acceleration in numbers due to the plethora of study materials you have
suggested? Last time I checked folks hadn't got smarter the last five years
and we still have plenty of decent people working very hard and taking 3 or
more trips to pass. I would bet a good deal of them have multiple resources
and labbooks at their disposal. Ask them. You can buy all kinds of
products but without having significant time to go through them you fail.
When I see the stories of those who have passed who are kind enough to post
their lab prep experience more than anything else time seems to be the
common denominator for success.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: "Gary Duncanson" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
> No fear simple numbers.
>
> Actually less fear since more people are passing and
> passing faster.
>
> It's a good thing to see qualified people becoming
> CCIE's.
>
> I just happened to notice three people passing on
> Friday and two were 1st timers (RS) and one was a
> CCIE-2X
>
> And I noted the number I was sent on Saturday.
>
> By Tuesday, I nearly fell of my chair.
>
> I had never see so many in just a single day before.
>
> That's all.
>
> After Cindy asked here question... it made me step
> from my labbing to think about it.
>
> Which if I don't get back to, I won't be getting my
> numbers and adding to the masses...
>
>
>
>
> --- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's back..
>>
>> The 'fear' is back in town. How many have passed
>> this year?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>> To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>;
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
>>
>>
>> > Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
>> > here on GS.
>> >
>> > There were at least another 25 since the people
>> got
>> > their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > The numbers are going and going very fast it
>> seems.
>> >
>> > What is truly significant is the number of first
>> time
>> > passers and the number of people who have achieved
>> > multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's
>> take a
>> > couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
>> > some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or
>> so
>> > they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and
>> now
>> > have triple or quad status in less than 6 months
>> or so
>> > after achieving the 1st CCIE.
>> >
>> > Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available
>> for
>> > nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips
>> on
>> > every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
>> >
>> > The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
>> > once was and it is not because the material is any
>> > less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified
>> many
>> > times since its inception. I still recall the
>> > written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who
>> first
>> > took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were
>> guys
>> > who write the books and who use a lot of these
>> > technologies on a daily basis.
>> >
>> >
>> > But hey there are a lot of good materials
>> available
>> > these days. Lots of excellent instructors as
>> well.
>> > Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on
>> other
>> > lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
>> >
>> > But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is
>> short
>> > compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are
>> seeing
>> > in total who are unannounced here, but are
>> elsewhere.
>> >
>> > I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
>> > planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found,
>> from
>> > Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China,
>> Korea,
>> > Japan, Germany, and so many many places in
>> between. I
>> > can guarantee you there are a lot of people
>> studying
>> > and working very hard to get past this little
>> monster.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
>> > overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
>> >
>> > Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a
>> few
>> > lab candidates.
>> >
>> > And let's not forget many of the people studying
>> who
>> > are passing did not wake up last week and start
>> > studying. Many have worked for years to earn a
>> CCIE.
>> >
>> > Caslow's checklists helped.
>> >
>> > NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
>> >
>> > Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
>> > Step-by-Step a reality.
>> >
>> > Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
>> > capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
>> > trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> > Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
>> > offering very soon as well based on his workbooks
>> and
>> > the famous Soup to Nuts product.
>> >
>> > H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in
>> the
>> > manner he prepares his students.
>> >
>> > Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2
>> CCIE's
>> > on one is what I here.
>> >
>> > Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple
>> CCIE's)
>> > who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
>> > Middle Eastern region.
>> >
>> > FastLane and another training company in Europe
>> are
>> > famous for their programs.
>> >
>> > Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
>> > recall.
>> >
>> > InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and
>> with
>> > Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
>> > possibilities are exceptional.
>> >
>> > Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as
>> a
>> > trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
>> >
>> > NLI offers their executive study program.
>> >
>> >
>> > Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
>> > guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue
>> by
>> > issue.
>> >
>> >
>> > The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day
>> program.
>> >
>> > A similar school in India does the same. At least
>> one
>> > or two.
>> >
>> > The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it
>> seems
>> > and there must be at least a dozen more notable
>> CCIE
>> > Schools.
>> >
>> > There are a lot more where all these guys come
>> from.
>> >
>> >
>> > I gotta feel bad, English is my native language.
>> The
>> > lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
>> > people who have trouble speaking English or
>> reading
>> > English are passing a test with objectives in very
>> > explicit English.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So with probably over about 100 companies (and
>> each
>> > company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some
>> have
>> > a lot more) giving training at least once a week
>> to
>> > about 5-7 students on average per class, not
>> counting
>> > distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's
>> are
>> > passing faster than MCSE's.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was
>> before
>> > Dynamips and PEMU got released.
>> >
>> > Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost
>> of
>> > a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently
>> as I
>> > understand it. Saving configs and "images" of
>> entire
>> > labs and coming back at will.
>> >
>> > What's more those same images are shared and so
>> the
>> > work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY.
>> It's
>> > electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
>> > filters can stop this now.
>> >
>> > So a candidate need not even know how to setup a
>> rack
>> > to get started.
>> >
>> > And many are able just to learn their configs by
>> heart
>> > and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto
>> ticket.
>> > They buy it and try to pass "GO".
>> >
>> > As I type a full racks' completed configs... and
>> if
>> > there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20
>> pages of
>> > commands... per lab.
>> >
>> > Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on
>> a
>> > help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a
>> big
>> > break.
>> >
>> > I expect we will see a saturation point where
>> nearly
>> > every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
>> > somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are
>> soon
>> > to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
>> > passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will
>> seek
>> > multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage
>> will.
>> >
>> > So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
>> > passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
>> >
>> > Now if there are more seats, there will be more
>> CCIE's
>> > per day as well.
>> >
>> > So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100
>> per
>> > month in previous years, is only the beginning of
>> a
>> > permanent trend.
>> >
>> >
>> > ==============================================
>> > There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
>> > ==============================================
>> >
>> > Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
>> > configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme
>> for
>> > 2008. And the terminal server too...
>> >
>> > It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth
>> its
>> > perceived value.
>> >
>> > And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would
>> be
>> > nice but given the amount of current candidates -
>> > there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's
>> even
>> > if it were two days in length again.
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course this is from a person taking the lab for
>> a
>> > 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt
>> and
>> > the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as
>> well.
>> > So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is
>> not
>> > new) as newbies.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Experts,
>> >> As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
>> >> noticed that numbers 19499
>> >> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day.
>> Is
>> >> Cisco turning out 20
>> >> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
>> >> sequentially - maybe this
>> >> is not the case? Anybody know?
>> >>
>> >> Cindy
>> >> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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