From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Nov 23 2007 - 00:55:20 ART
Please give us a break
On Nov 22, 2007 2:20 PM, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well if there is a Yoda of the CCIE...
>
> He's probably it.
>
> Others have nice programs an some are extremely
> challenging. Some might say overkill.
>
> But Yoda is Yoda...
>
>
>
> --- EDL <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > [quote]
> > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in return
> > for a job with my firm.
> > It will be money well spent then.
> > [/quote]
> >
> > I was looking for an employer to pay for all the
> > cost to get my IE. Then I
> > will work for the employer a number of years we both
> > agree to. I believed
> > that was solely my thought. Never knew someone has
> > the same idea.
> >
> > Happy holiday(w/your IE#)
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2007 11:51 PM, Joseph Brunner
> > <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about him...
> > if you want to learn the
> > > force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> > return for a job with my
> > > firm.
> > > It will be money well spent then.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Darby Weaver
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
> > > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
> > > Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> > >
> > > I have to say so far knowing what I know now about
> > the
> > > lab its structure, layout, and relative
> > complexity.
> > >
> > > All things being equal...
> > >
> > > I think his labs are quite effective if someone
> > knows
> > > a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass the
> > lab
> > > outright.
> > >
> > > His methodology is very straight forward. He logs
> > > your work, he monitors everything you do. Instant
> > > feedback is immediately available.
> > >
> > > It's like having a tech interview where your every
> > > command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he may
> > watch
> > > you all day. And give feedback in the afternoon.
> > >
> > > Of all the training and camps I've seen thus far,
> > his
> > > is actually the most personal.
> > >
> > > He even takes his meals with his students. And...
> > he
> > > does not stop. The entire visit with him is an
> > > exam...
> > >
> > > He tests you mentally, orally, and even physically
> > > when you can't figure out those dumb router
> > problems
> > > he's worked out for you.
> > >
> > > He does not have a workbook per se. You won't
> > find
> > > his labs on the net. Each lab is made to order
> > for
> > > you and only you.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell every student of his 3 week
> > camp
> > > or very near with few exceptions has made his or
> > her
> > > way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
> > >
> > > Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and count
> > how
> > > many camps he gives a year and estimate the number
> > of
> > > students.
> > >
> > > That's right nearly every single student of his is
> > now
> > > a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his site.
> > >
> > > Who else can boast this?
> > >
> > > I mean many people have many students, but not all
> > > make it, not faulting the instructor or the
> > program.
> > >
> > > ==========
> > >
> > > Look the core topics are what people pass or fail
> > on.
> > > I know you read otherwise. But when the metal
> > meets
> > > the road... It comes down to core topics.
> > >
> > > Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and done
> > a
> > > few challenge labs. I have and I even went so far
> > as
> > > to chronicle my results for better or worse.
> > >
> > > Let me tell you if you simply must pass the lab
> > and
> > > must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not pay
> > the
> > > guy a visit.
> > >
> > > He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent
> > groupstudy.
> > > He does not take calls while he is working. He is
> > > focused on his student and pretty much never takes
> > his
> > > eyes off them. He does have a life.
> > >
> > > He does keep up with his students after the fact.
> > He
> > > and I have had a few telephone conversations.
> > >
> > > Now other people will mock or make fun of this
> > guy,
> > > but they probably don't know him very well.
> > >
> > > He's all business. His business is your success.
> > > Your success is a CCIE.
> > >
> > > Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
> > >
> > > The CCIE does not teach one to be a network design
> > > engineer per se.
> > >
> > > This guy works hard to see you get your number and
> > it
> > > is his life's mission. He does not do much else.
> > He
> > > has one goal to make CCIE's.
> > >
> > > He does it like no other.
> > >
> > > I have not been through the 3-week class so I am
> > not
> > > quite there yet as you may note.
> > >
> > > However over 600 or so others have been and they
> > are
> > > CCIEs.
> > >
> > > I know a few of them from here and there and the
> > > pleasure to meet some as well.
> > >
> > > There are many very very good vendors on this list
> > and
> > > they have a great deal of respect from everyone
> > here
> > > and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of
> > them.
> > > I have spoken well of them all - my posts are in
> > the
> > > archives. And each has something unique I like,
> > I've
> > > said that as well.
> > >
> > > This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple
> > > accomplishments - 10+ years as a CCIE, his very
> > low
> > > number, and the number of CCIE's he has
> > accomplished.
> > >
> > > How do you not admire such a person?
> > >
> > >
> >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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