From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov 24 2007 - 00:51:32 ART
Anyone who still wants to know more - let me know and
unicast is fine.
I don't work for anyone. So I'm not really biased for
any personal gain.
Either I paid for my training independently or in a
case or two an employer sent me as part of a
negotiated agreement, etc.
--- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please give us a break
>
> On Nov 22, 2007 2:20 PM, Darby Weaver
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Well if there is a Yoda of the CCIE...
> >
> > He's probably it.
> >
> > Others have nice programs an some are extremely
> > challenging. Some might say overkill.
> >
> > But Yoda is Yoda...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- EDL <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > [quote]
> > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> return
> > > for a job with my firm.
> > > It will be money well spent then.
> > > [/quote]
> > >
> > > I was looking for an employer to pay for all the
> > > cost to get my IE. Then I
> > > will work for the employer a number of years we
> both
> > > agree to. I believed
> > > that was solely my thought. Never knew someone
> has
> > > the same idea.
> > >
> > > Happy holiday(w/your IE#)
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2007 11:51 PM, Joseph Brunner
> > > <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about
> him...
> > > if you want to learn the
> > > > force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> > > return for a job with my
> > > > firm.
> > > > It will be money well spent then.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Darby Weaver
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
> > > > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
> > > > Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> > > >
> > > > I have to say so far knowing what I know now
> about
> > > the
> > > > lab its structure, layout, and relative
> > > complexity.
> > > >
> > > > All things being equal...
> > > >
> > > > I think his labs are quite effective if
> someone
> > > knows
> > > > a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass
> the
> > > lab
> > > > outright.
> > > >
> > > > His methodology is very straight forward. He
> logs
> > > > your work, he monitors everything you do.
> Instant
> > > > feedback is immediately available.
> > > >
> > > > It's like having a tech interview where your
> every
> > > > command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he
> may
> > > watch
> > > > you all day. And give feedback in the
> afternoon.
> > > >
> > > > Of all the training and camps I've seen thus
> far,
> > > his
> > > > is actually the most personal.
> > > >
> > > > He even takes his meals with his students.
> And...
> > > he
> > > > does not stop. The entire visit with him is
> an
> > > > exam...
> > > >
> > > > He tests you mentally, orally, and even
> physically
> > > > when you can't figure out those dumb router
> > > problems
> > > > he's worked out for you.
> > > >
> > > > He does not have a workbook per se. You won't
> > > find
> > > > his labs on the net. Each lab is made to
> order
> > > for
> > > > you and only you.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I can tell every student of his 3
> week
> > > camp
> > > > or very near with few exceptions has made his
> or
> > > her
> > > > way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and
> count
> > > how
> > > > many camps he gives a year and estimate the
> number
> > > of
> > > > students.
> > > >
> > > > That's right nearly every single student of
> his is
> > > now
> > > > a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his
> site.
> > > >
> > > > Who else can boast this?
> > > >
> > > > I mean many people have many students, but not
> all
> > > > make it, not faulting the instructor or the
> > > program.
> > > >
> > > > ==========
> > > >
> > > > Look the core topics are what people pass or
> fail
> > > on.
> > > > I know you read otherwise. But when the metal
> > > meets
> > > > the road... It comes down to core topics.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and
> done
> > > a
> > > > few challenge labs. I have and I even went so
> far
> > > as
> > > > to chronicle my results for better or worse.
> > > >
> > > > Let me tell you if you simply must pass the
> lab
> > > and
> > > > must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not
> pay
> > > the
> > > > guy a visit.
> > > >
> > > > He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent
> > > groupstudy.
> > > > He does not take calls while he is working.
> He is
> > > > focused on his student and pretty much never
> takes
> > > his
> > > > eyes off them. He does have a life.
> > > >
> > > > He does keep up with his students after the
> fact.
> > > He
> > > > and I have had a few telephone conversations.
> > > >
> > > > Now other people will mock or make fun of this
> > > guy,
> > > > but they probably don't know him very well.
> > > >
> > > > He's all business. His business is your
> success.
> > > > Your success is a CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
> > > >
> > > > The CCIE does not teach one to be a network
> design
> > > > engineer per se.
> > > >
> > > > This guy works hard to see you get your number
> and
> > > it
> > > > is his life's mission. He does not do much
> else.
> > > He
> > > > has one goal to make CCIE's.
> > > >
> > > > He does it like no other.
> > > >
> > > > I have not been through the 3-week class so I
> am
> > > not
> > > > quite there yet as you may note.
> > > >
> > > > However over 600 or so others have been and
> they
> > > are
> > > > CCIEs.
> > > >
> > > > I know a few of them from here and there and
> the
> > > > pleasure to meet some as well.
> > > >
> > > > There are many very very good vendors on this
> list
> > > and
> > > > they have a great deal of respect from
> everyone
> > > here
> > > > and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of
> > > them.
> > > > I have spoken well of them all - my posts are
> in
> > > the
> > > > archives. And each has something unique I
> like,
> > > I've
> > > > said that as well.
> > > >
> > > > This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple
> > > > accomplishments - 10+ years as a CCIE, his
> very
> > > low
> > > > number, and the number of CCIE's he has
> > > accomplished.
> > > >
> > > > How do you not admire such a person?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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