From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 22 2007 - 19:20:07 ART
Well if there is a Yoda of the CCIE...
He's probably it.
Others have nice programs an some are extremely
challenging. Some might say overkill.
But Yoda is Yoda...
--- EDL <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> [quote]
> I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in return
> for a job with my firm.
> It will be money well spent then.
> [/quote]
>
> I was looking for an employer to pay for all the
> cost to get my IE. Then I
> will work for the employer a number of years we both
> agree to. I believed
> that was solely my thought. Never knew someone has
> the same idea.
>
> Happy holiday(w/your IE#)
>
> :-)
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2007 11:51 PM, Joseph Brunner
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about him...
> if you want to learn the
> > force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
> >
> > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> return for a job with my
> > firm.
> > It will be money well spent then.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
> > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
> > Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> >
> > I have to say so far knowing what I know now about
> the
> > lab its structure, layout, and relative
> complexity.
> >
> > All things being equal...
> >
> > I think his labs are quite effective if someone
> knows
> > a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass the
> lab
> > outright.
> >
> > His methodology is very straight forward. He logs
> > your work, he monitors everything you do. Instant
> > feedback is immediately available.
> >
> > It's like having a tech interview where your every
> > command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he may
> watch
> > you all day. And give feedback in the afternoon.
> >
> > Of all the training and camps I've seen thus far,
> his
> > is actually the most personal.
> >
> > He even takes his meals with his students. And...
> he
> > does not stop. The entire visit with him is an
> > exam...
> >
> > He tests you mentally, orally, and even physically
> > when you can't figure out those dumb router
> problems
> > he's worked out for you.
> >
> > He does not have a workbook per se. You won't
> find
> > his labs on the net. Each lab is made to order
> for
> > you and only you.
> >
> > As far as I can tell every student of his 3 week
> camp
> > or very near with few exceptions has made his or
> her
> > way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
> >
> > Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and count
> how
> > many camps he gives a year and estimate the number
> of
> > students.
> >
> > That's right nearly every single student of his is
> now
> > a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his site.
> >
> > Who else can boast this?
> >
> > I mean many people have many students, but not all
> > make it, not faulting the instructor or the
> program.
> >
> > ==========
> >
> > Look the core topics are what people pass or fail
> on.
> > I know you read otherwise. But when the metal
> meets
> > the road... It comes down to core topics.
> >
> > Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and done
> a
> > few challenge labs. I have and I even went so far
> as
> > to chronicle my results for better or worse.
> >
> > Let me tell you if you simply must pass the lab
> and
> > must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not pay
> the
> > guy a visit.
> >
> > He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent
> groupstudy.
> > He does not take calls while he is working. He is
> > focused on his student and pretty much never takes
> his
> > eyes off them. He does have a life.
> >
> > He does keep up with his students after the fact.
> He
> > and I have had a few telephone conversations.
> >
> > Now other people will mock or make fun of this
> guy,
> > but they probably don't know him very well.
> >
> > He's all business. His business is your success.
> > Your success is a CCIE.
> >
> > Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
> >
> > The CCIE does not teach one to be a network design
> > engineer per se.
> >
> > This guy works hard to see you get your number and
> it
> > is his life's mission. He does not do much else.
> He
> > has one goal to make CCIE's.
> >
> > He does it like no other.
> >
> > I have not been through the 3-week class so I am
> not
> > quite there yet as you may note.
> >
> > However over 600 or so others have been and they
> are
> > CCIEs.
> >
> > I know a few of them from here and there and the
> > pleasure to meet some as well.
> >
> > There are many very very good vendors on this list
> and
> > they have a great deal of respect from everyone
> here
> > and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of
> them.
> > I have spoken well of them all - my posts are in
> the
> > archives. And each has something unique I like,
> I've
> > said that as well.
> >
> > This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple
> > accomplishments - 10+ years as a CCIE, his very
> low
> > number, and the number of CCIE's he has
> accomplished.
> >
> > How do you not admire such a person?
> >
> >
>
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