From: EDL (r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 22 2007 - 17:18:36 ART
Joe,
[quote]
I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in return for a job with my firm.
It will be money well spent then.
[/quote]
I was looking for an employer to pay for all the cost to get my IE. Then I
will work for the employer a number of years we both agree to. I believed
that was solely my thought. Never knew someone has the same idea.
Happy holiday(w/your IE#)
:-)
Ed
On Nov 21, 2007 11:51 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about him... if you want to learn the
> force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
>
> I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in return for a job with my
> firm.
> It will be money well spent then.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
> Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
>
> I have to say so far knowing what I know now about the
> lab its structure, layout, and relative complexity.
>
> All things being equal...
>
> I think his labs are quite effective if someone knows
> a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass the lab
> outright.
>
> His methodology is very straight forward. He logs
> your work, he monitors everything you do. Instant
> feedback is immediately available.
>
> It's like having a tech interview where your every
> command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he may watch
> you all day. And give feedback in the afternoon.
>
> Of all the training and camps I've seen thus far, his
> is actually the most personal.
>
> He even takes his meals with his students. And... he
> does not stop. The entire visit with him is an
> exam...
>
> He tests you mentally, orally, and even physically
> when you can't figure out those dumb router problems
> he's worked out for you.
>
> He does not have a workbook per se. You won't find
> his labs on the net. Each lab is made to order for
> you and only you.
>
> As far as I can tell every student of his 3 week camp
> or very near with few exceptions has made his or her
> way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
>
> Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and count how
> many camps he gives a year and estimate the number of
> students.
>
> That's right nearly every single student of his is now
> a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his site.
>
> Who else can boast this?
>
> I mean many people have many students, but not all
> make it, not faulting the instructor or the program.
>
> ==========
>
> Look the core topics are what people pass or fail on.
> I know you read otherwise. But when the metal meets
> the road... It comes down to core topics.
>
> Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and done a
> few challenge labs. I have and I even went so far as
> to chronicle my results for better or worse.
>
> Let me tell you if you simply must pass the lab and
> must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not pay the
> guy a visit.
>
> He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent groupstudy.
> He does not take calls while he is working. He is
> focused on his student and pretty much never takes his
> eyes off them. He does have a life.
>
> He does keep up with his students after the fact. He
> and I have had a few telephone conversations.
>
> Now other people will mock or make fun of this guy,
> but they probably don't know him very well.
>
> He's all business. His business is your success.
> Your success is a CCIE.
>
> Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
>
> The CCIE does not teach one to be a network design
> engineer per se.
>
> This guy works hard to see you get your number and it
> is his life's mission. He does not do much else. He
> has one goal to make CCIE's.
>
> He does it like no other.
>
> I have not been through the 3-week class so I am not
> quite there yet as you may note.
>
> However over 600 or so others have been and they are
> CCIEs.
>
> I know a few of them from here and there and the
> pleasure to meet some as well.
>
> There are many very very good vendors on this list and
> they have a great deal of respect from everyone here
> and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of them.
> I have spoken well of them all - my posts are in the
> archives. And each has something unique I like, I've
> said that as well.
>
> This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple
> accomplishments - 10+ years as a CCIE, his very low
> number, and the number of CCIE's he has accomplished.
>
> How do you not admire such a person?
>
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