From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Thu Nov 22 2007 - 04:51:49 ART
Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about him... if you want to learn the
force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in return for a job with my firm.
It will be money well spent then.
Thanks,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
I have to say so far knowing what I know now about the
lab its structure, layout, and relative complexity.
All things being equal...
I think his labs are quite effective if someone knows
a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass the lab
outright.
His methodology is very straight forward. He logs
your work, he monitors everything you do. Instant
feedback is immediately available.
It's like having a tech interview where your every
command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he may watch
you all day. And give feedback in the afternoon.
Of all the training and camps I've seen thus far, his
is actually the most personal.
He even takes his meals with his students. And... he
does not stop. The entire visit with him is an
exam...
He tests you mentally, orally, and even physically
when you can't figure out those dumb router problems
he's worked out for you.
He does not have a workbook per se. You won't find
his labs on the net. Each lab is made to order for
you and only you.
As far as I can tell every student of his 3 week camp
or very near with few exceptions has made his or her
way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and count how
many camps he gives a year and estimate the number of
students.
That's right nearly every single student of his is now
a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his site.
Who else can boast this?
I mean many people have many students, but not all
make it, not faulting the instructor or the program.
==========
Look the core topics are what people pass or fail on.
I know you read otherwise. But when the metal meets
the road... It comes down to core topics.
Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and done a
few challenge labs. I have and I even went so far as
to chronicle my results for better or worse.
Let me tell you if you simply must pass the lab and
must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not pay the
guy a visit.
He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent groupstudy.
He does not take calls while he is working. He is
focused on his student and pretty much never takes his
eyes off them. He does have a life.
He does keep up with his students after the fact. He
and I have had a few telephone conversations.
Now other people will mock or make fun of this guy,
but they probably don't know him very well.
He's all business. His business is your success.
Your success is a CCIE.
Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
The CCIE does not teach one to be a network design
engineer per se.
This guy works hard to see you get your number and it
is his life's mission. He does not do much else. He
has one goal to make CCIE's.
He does it like no other.
I have not been through the 3-week class so I am not
quite there yet as you may note.
However over 600 or so others have been and they are
CCIEs.
I know a few of them from here and there and the
pleasure to meet some as well.
There are many very very good vendors on this list and
they have a great deal of respect from everyone here
and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of them.
I have spoken well of them all - my posts are in the
archives. And each has something unique I like, I've
said that as well.
This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple
accomplishments - 10+ years as a CCIE, his very low
number, and the number of CCIE's he has accomplished.
How do you not admire such a person?
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Sat Dec 01 2007 - 06:37:30 ART