From: Anthony Sequeira (Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com)
Date: Wed Nov 21 2007 - 15:37:54 ART
What do you need to pass the lab? Well, let's count the ways....
Since it is a very personal experience, let me recount what I needed in
no particular order....
1 - I needed an instructor to help me with overall strategy. Topics here
included time management, diagramming, time-saving tips, etc.
2 - The DOC-CD and instructor guidelines on how and when to use it.
3 - A workbook to provide me with practice tasks that I could work
through.
4 - Actual equipment.
5 - Mock labs that would assess my readiness and give me scores and
valuable feedback.
6 - A ridiculously positive attitude.
7 - Time.
8 - Patience.
9 - Money.
10 - I am sure I am forgetting a ton!
Anthony J. Sequeira
#15626
Recert? No Problem!
http://www.netmasterclass.net/CCIE/Self-Paced-Program/Written
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: Andy Cole; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
I meant
The Doc CD does NOT do that. I believe you definitely need a work book
to go
with the Doc CD.
On 11/21/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think Doc CD is pretty good but you still need a work book to go
with it
> that puts the commands in a scenario and explains things in details.
The Doc
> CD does do that. I believe you definitely need a work book to go with
the
> Doc CD.
>
> I am NOT trying to sell a work book here, i am stating my honest
> opinion. Doc CD alone does not cut it.
>
>
>
> On 11/21/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > Good philosophy. That's what I do. You could try and know everything
> > cold
> > but you would end up being sectioned under the Mental Health Act ;)
> >
> > Rgds
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Cole" <Andy.Cole@foremostfarms.com>
> > To: "Gregory Gombas" < ggombas@gmail.com>; "Simon Grace"
> > <SimonG@pcsystems.gr>
> > Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com >
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> >
> >
> > > There are things you need to know 'cold'. IP Routing Multicast
QoS
> > > Security IS Services Bridging and Switching. You should at least
read
> >
> > > them, thoroughly. Main thing to keep in mind when you are reading
> > these
> > > is WHY would I use this variation over another? (OSPF stub vs.
NSSA,
> > > etc.)
> > >
> > > Anything else you come across, like Web Caching find where it is
in
> > the
> > > DOC CD get an overview. On the more obscure topics, best to know
WHERE
> > > in the DOC CD you can find it than know them 'cold'.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf
> > Of
> > > Gregory Gombas
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:34 PM
> > > To: Simon Grace
> > > Cc: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
> > >
> > > I feel your pain. Everyone says "hey just read the DOC CD"
casually as
> > > if its a quick read over breakfast. Has anyone actually tried to
print
> >
> > > the DOC CD?!?
> > >
> > > I've printed all the topice relevant to the R+S and I counted over
> > 6000
> > > pages of text to read. So I'm not sure how realistic it is to read
> > > through and retain it all. Its like painting the golden gate
bridge -
> > by
> > > the time you get to the end the beginning is already getting
rusty.
> > >
> > > So can anyone suggest a more efficient way of going through the
DOC CD
> > > or perhaps the most relevant portions?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On Nov 20, 2007 5:10 AM, Simon Grace <SimonG@pcsystems.gr> wrote:
> > >> Hi Guys,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I've left this a few days before I wrote it as I needed to calm
down.
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Back in September I took my first lab exam. I used the
> > Internetworking
> > >
> > >> expert labs and due to me not being quick enough and not leaving
> > >> myself enough time to work on the real tricky questions I just
missed
> >
> > > out.
> > >>
> > >> Okay, no problems with that, I didn't deserve to pass and needed
to
> > up
> > >
> > >> my game a bit.
> > >>
> > >> Without going into details that by knowing the stuff on the IE
labs
> > >> and the various areas covered you should be okay in the lab.
There
> > >> were a couple of new questions I'd not seen but that's to be
> > expected.
> > >
> > >> The lab was of a fair level.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Okay, I got back on the study, got my speed up and basically hit
it
> > at
> > >
> > >> 150%. I carried on with the IE labs but really nailed them, I
also
> > >> checked out a lot of the things that came up here and lab'd stuff
up
> > >> that I'd not seen before.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Went back last week, knowing that nothing is certain but knowing
that
> > >> my skill level was much higher than the first time around and I
only
> > >> just missed that.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I was blown away, firstly the exam was much, much harder than the
> > >> first one. I read through the exam and realised that a good
> > proportion
> > >
> > >> of the questions I was seeing for the first time. Not to mention
the
> > >> way the questions were asked. Once again without going into
details
> > it
> > >
> > >> wasn't a case of configure this it was put in such a way to make
it
> > as
> > >
> > >> difficult as possible to ask a question. Not just once, twice but
> > once
> > >
> > >> again, many difficult questions. I couldn't help but feel that
they
> > >> had made the exam so difficult that they were really trying to
stop
> > >> people from passing. Going by the exam 2 months before and then
this
> > >> one, they was absolutely no comparison, the second was just mind
> > > blowing.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Now, I'm no Einstein, but I did work very hard on this and I know
my
> > >> stuff, but when the score report comes back I really can't help
but
> > >> feel that something really isn't quite right, I feel like the
goal
> > >> posts have been completely moved. Plus I know the stuff was
working
> > >> and I know where I dropped points but the score report doesn't
> > reflect
> > > that.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I got chatting to a guy after the exam who'd had the same lab.
He'd
> > >> also sat one a couple of months before and had been studying
about
> > the
> > >
> > >> same amount of time and talking to him I get the idea that he too
> > >> knows his subject. We both agreed fully that it was just on
another
> > >> plane and couldn't understand how two exams could be so different
in
> > >> expected level of knowledge.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So, I'm writing this not in a lets go on a burn and pillage
rampage
> > >> but rather has anyone else had similar experiences, do you feel a
bit
> > >> let down by the fact that there appears to be no standard level
for
> > >> the exam. I'm trying to speak with our Cisco guys here to see
what
> > can
> > >
> > >> be done. Obviously Cisco own it and do with it what they want but
I
> > >> don't like to be treated unfairly and will try and do whatever is
in
> > >> my power to get things sorted. The price of the exam including
> > flights
> > >
> > >> etc isn't cheap and we deserve a level playing field.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Please unicast me, no need to go into details but more on the
lines
> > of
> > >
> > >> found the exam to be fair or totally different levels, whatever
you
> > >> feel relevant.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Oh well, I'm gonna take a few weeks off, think about things and
then
> > I
> > >
> > >> suppose get back into it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I wish you guys who are going to take the exam all the luck and
don't
> > >> worry, if you get something on the lines of the first one you are
> > >> getting a fair crack of the whip.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Simon.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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