From: M_A_Jones@Dell.com
Date: Mon Nov 19 2007 - 17:17:14 ART
I disagree joe,
Supply and demand rules the world, if that benz you mentioned was back
logged and they decide to mass produce it, you would see an increase in
sales......
There is a bottleneck, hence the 6 month lead time, once that vanishes,
canidates will be able to take the test and retest at a faster rate,
There for the numbers would grow at a faster rate, will it be the new
ccnp, no! we can thank skillset and preperation for that...but you will
see an increase in how fast the CCIE number grows....
Its simple math..
Michael Jones
Network Engineer
Global Network Operations
Dell Inc. | Information Technology
W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:43 PM
To: subodh.rawat@wipro.com; gary.duncanson@googlemail.com;
Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
Wrong.
Not that many people will commit what it takes.
They just wont
More seats? That's like saying if Mercedes makes more 600 V12 biturbo's
CL-65's they will just be sold. There has to be demand and qualified
"buyers"
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
subodh.rawat@wipro.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
To: gary.duncanson@googlemail.com; Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
I think if Cisco makes 200 seats per day, there will be atleast 24000
CCIEs per year (considering 50% failure) or if failure is 25 % (which is
most likely the case in today's scenario) then this figure will be
atleast 36000 per year.
I am not sure then this club will remain as exclusive as it is today. I
think Cisco should not increase seats from what it has capacity today,
(there was some noise sometime back that Cisco is going to open new
centers; no doubt it will help many people in many ways and I am no
exception) if they want to retain CCIE's value intact or else CCIE is
next CCNA or CCNP for that matter (definitely it takes atleast 10-12
months hard core study but today it is still very much possible to clear
in first attempt).
But as I said in my earlier post, only knowledge will prevail not number
even if we are 1xCCIE or 5xCCIE.
Thanks
Subodh
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Duncanson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:01 PM
To: Usankin, Andrew
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
I agree it's a personal thing. For my part I still believe getting the
CCIE is a remarkable achievement. People have gone about rising numbers
ever since the program took off in the late 1990's. The fact remains
that the CCIE is difficult to obtain. There is an intellectual
requirement to passing this thing but perhaps just as important is the
degree of personal commitment and determination it takes to clear it.
People's milage will vary depending on freetime available to chase the
CCIE but regardless it still remains very difficult to get through it
whatever ligitimate resources you have at your disposal. You still have
to put the long hours and the hard miles in and that's something many
people still come up short on committing to. I know one CCIE who had the
best part of a year off work on full pay by his employer to concentrate
on preparing for the lab. Labbooks and books were paid for, so was rack
access, so were exam fees and flights..even a bootcamp was thrown in.
The guy studied hard. It took him 4 attempts to clear it a few years
ago.
Literally hundreds of thousands of engineers have failed on the journey
to become a CCIE over the years. When you consider that the program has
been going 10 years and that less than 20000 CCIE's worldwide have
cleared the lab so I would say it's still a pretty exclusive club.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
> Everybody should decide for himself, but as to me - CCIE is not a
> remarkable achievement anymore. Take a loot at the number, it says it
> all. So if you still want to get to the hall of fame, you should get
at
> least two CCIE, three is better, 5 - is a group of people whom you can
> count on your fingers. :)
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Gregory Gombas
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:47 PM
> To: A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>
> Me too. I guarantee you it will soon say in job postings "CCIE with
> number below 20000 preferred". Cause you know after 20000 the CCIE is
> easy :-)
>
> On Nov 17, 2007 9:22 AM, A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
> <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Congrats Joseph,
>>
>> By the way guys, the number really ticks very fast.
>>
>> I would like to catch up before it reaches 20k.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ananth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2007 8:55 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Grats Joseph. Whats next?
>> >
>> > DR
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/16/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Congrats Joe! Very well deserved! I could tell from the way you
>> > > were banging out configs in our group study session that I would
>> > > see your number soon.
>> > >
>> > > Security eh...that would be my choice for a second CCIE.
>> > > How bout I get this pesky R+S lab out of the way and we can fire
>> > > up the Security webex!
>> > >
>> > > Warmest Regards,
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Nov 16, 2007 6:55 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>> > > > First I want to thank god for all he has given me.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Second I would like to thank Howard, Bobby (RTP), Tom and Tong
>> > > > (SJ)
>> the
>> > > > proctors who work so hard to keep the lab running as smooth as
>> > > > it
>> does.
>> > > You
>> > > > are gentlemen, and even when I walked out with nothing and knew
>> > > > it, I
>> > > felt
>> > > > honored to challenge your creation.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Next I would like to Thank Brian Dennis, Brian McGahan, Scott
>> > > > Morris
>> and
>> > > > Narbik Kocharians. It's one thing to get your number and just
>> > > > sit in
>> the
>> > > > corner somewhere. It's a crowning achievement to use it to help
>> > > > others
>> > > share
>> > > > your achievement. Your participation here was a huge study
>> > > > motivation
>> to
>> > > me.
>> > > > Narbik I touched your name on the wall in RTP yesterday before
I
>> started
>> > > and
>> > > > I knew it was time.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Got to run, before somebody picks my security blueprint off the
>> printer.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Joseph L. Brunner
>> > > >
>> > > > CCIE #19366
>> > > >
>> > > >
>>
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