From: M_A_Jones@Dell.com
Date: Thu Nov 08 2007 - 14:34:12 ART
Well that being said, I think IQ testing tells a lot about appitude;
rather then intelligence.
Remember tests measure preperation, not appitude or intelligence for
that matter.
So its quite possibe to have a dumb= (low IQ) CCIE who passes because he
was well prepared.
Michael Jones
Network Engineer
Global Network Operations
Dell Inc.
512.723.3268
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Cisco Nuts
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:48 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Paul Dardinski'; 'Jesse Loggins
(CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
I am sure not....
At least from some folks who interviewed with Cisco.
Using an IQ is/has no basis on what a person can do on the
job...IMHO...!!
Cheers!!
> From: joe@affirmedsystems.com
> To: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; pauld@marshallcomm.com;
jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise,
> Swiss
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:50:22 -0500
>
> I found out today from someone that Cisco gives people IQ Tests before
> offering employment...
>
> Can anyone confirm this? and for what position?
>
> Maybe we can let brains settle it...
>
> Would you want a guy with a 99 IQ who knows what a console port is and
> Config-register 0x2142
>
> Or a guy with a newly minted CCIE and a 164 IQ (sure some guy in India
> Has both as I'm writing this)
>
> -joe
>
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> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Vermillion
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:47 PM
> To: 'Paul Dardinski'; 'Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa';
> 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise,
> Swiss
>
> Hey Paul,
>
> I have to agree with your closing paragraph; if I have my hiring
> manager
hat
> on and a CCIE with minimal work history came before me, he would still
> only be considered for an entry-level position (granted, his salary
> offer would be at the top of whatever that entry-level range was). I
> would offer a fast-track career progression provided his performance
> showed the
real-world
> stuff was within the candidates grasp (it simply isn't for some folks,
> no matter what cert they may hold) and was taking hold.
>
> But don't willy-nilly single out Dynamips. Is a candidate who uses
> rack rentals in any different a situation? Frankly, I consider it to
> be a reasonable assumption that if someone can successfully navigate
> the lab, they can figure out how to cable stuff up pretty quickly.
> Again, though,
if
> that's something a CCIE needs to learn, then they can expect to only
receive
> an offer of an entry-level position. It's an expert certification and
> non-experts who obtain it need to understand they have dues yet to be
> paid outside of the lab. It aint no short-cut as far as I'm
concerned...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
Paul
> Dardinski
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:25 AM
> To: Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661); tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise,
> Swiss
>
> In the end it is inconceivable that a ccie (no matter what era) can't
> tell you how a cam table is populated. Alternatively, with the advent
> of dynamips, etc, I guess the era of actually having to cable up
> equipment is also mostly over. The cert unfortunately is going to be
> in jeopardy over time as any barrier to entry falls away and it
> becomes just another lab exercise vs really becoming a true expert in
> the underlying technologies. I assume that over time Cisco will
> respond with an increasing level of equipment and interconnections of
> technology to overcome some of this.
>
> As to CCIE's with <1year experience etc....shame on the company that
> expects a whole lot. Certainly they have to understand the guy
> wouldn't be worth much compared to a more seasoned individual and
> compensation surely would/should reflect that.
>
> PD (#16842)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise,
> Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are
> CCIE's with no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly
> because Lab Prep material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I
> have come across many CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically
> connect to a router to configure it. That is they had no idea what the
> console port is. Another one is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on
> a router. Also it is amazing how many CCIE's don't understand IP, as
> in how things work. For instance one of my interview questions it to
> ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how traceroute works. Or another
> is to explain the significance of MTU in a real world network. Most
> of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask these questions?
> Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
>
> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2
> to
> 5
> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work
> there way from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the
> technologies as they go
>
> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
> thing that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the
> RFC's (in my opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I
> say this all to suggest that the interviewer that asked you these
> questions may have had the same purpose in mind. In my opinion the
> number of inexperienced CCIE's on the market right now are really
> hurting the credibility of our coveted certification. That seems to be
> the reason why many of us are starting to pursue multiple CCIE's to
> distinguish ourselves. In the past multi-CCIE's where rare, but now
> they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say this as I prepare to
> take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM
> table for you old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His
> response (this came
>
> after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed
> > the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question,
> > but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree
> > in networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
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