From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 04 2007 - 17:59:36 ART
I agree with a lot of that.
I use ipexpert myself and find the material very helpful in my lab
preparations. So far as lab books and answers go the solutions are an
illustration of how something that meets requirement should hang together.
There may be alternatives. I don't regard Labbooks as an encyclopedia of
canned configs to help pass the CCIE.
I see no problem with checking solutions if you are completely stuck, you
are after all *learning*. The main thing to keep in mind is you will not
have the actual answers in the real lab. So you should be reliant on the
solutions provided with workbooks less and less as time goes by. If that
isn't happening you need to revisit your study approach. How you get into
that space depends on the extent to which you are prepared to understand the
hows and whys the solutions put forward meet the requirements. After each
lab I do, I debrief and make my own notes about anything that left me
stumped and act upon it by doing my own research. You should find that over
time your proposed solutions to meet requirements in subsequent labs are
closer to the actual solutions. Sometimes looking at solutions can help you
put your reading into context.
A labbook is a series of exercises getting you to work material and think
about things with solutions offering an illustration of a way forward for
those among us who can't come up with a decent answer. Sometimes the
solutions jog your memory, sometimes the solutions offer enlightenment on
things you already knew, sometimes the solutions educate you on new or novel
ways to use things you already knew, sometimes they demonstrate IOS
capabilities you never heard of before. Use all that to empower your own
research and you have a helpful tool. As opposed to memorization and other
exercises in futility.
On that note I'm off now to read IPExpert lab "F" completely and propose my
own solutions to each question. Then on another night I will lab it up.
Hopefully my solution is close to IPExpert's, but hopefully not TOO close.
Afterall I still have much to learn at this stage. One thing is for sure, I
will run off and find out for myself WHY the given solution is different.
That's the fun part as I do not buy proctor guides :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'George Goglidze'" <goglidze@gmail.com>; <smorris@ipexpert.com>
Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
> George,
>
>
>
> I have the IEWB Vol II Version 4.1 and the IEXPERT proctor's guide,
> version
> 9.0.
>
>
>
> That's a lot of material to use.
>
>
>
> I have done many labs both at home, at work and I have always reviewed
> their
> answers after doing my best to solve within 8 hours. A real expert does
> not
> need their solutions.
>
> You are not going to pass the lab doing labs and just looking at their
> answers. Having the answers makes you a weaker candidate than one who can
> use the DOC CD to grade their OWN SCORE on these practices labs. That is
> how I do it now.
>
>
>
> So, while I have a lot of good things to say about both, I can tell you
> the
> answers that the proctor's guide had were very helpful. I got about same
> insight from both vendors, expect for the first 5 labs with IEWB vol II,
> which they really explained the basics.
>
>
>
> If you are going to pass or fail, the answers the vendors give you in
> their
> workbooks having nothing to do with in.
>
>
>
> You need to learn the technologies at a CCIE's level to have a chance. The
> real test is worded so tricky its mind boggling when I come home and
> figure
> out the answers on my rack.
>
>
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: George Goglidze [mailto:goglidze@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:47 AM
> To: smorris@ipexpert.com
> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
>
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thanks for clarification.
> it does not break anything.
>
> the problem is that, when I see something I think I was not asked to do, I
> start to question all my abilities to interpret the tasks.
> and it makes me think maybe my English or my technical skills are not good
> enough, or whatever.
>
> I understand in real life, that would be a good thing to do.
> but we're working on lab. and are using these workbooks to make sure we
> know
> things before we go for the real thing.
>
> this workbooks should be designed with this in mind, and not bring any
> confusions in something as serious as a CCIE lab.
>
> As I go through all the sections (I'm on 25th now), I understand that the
> solutions that are given are not worth the price we pay for it.
> My company is looking forward for buying internetworkexpert now. hope it
> will be at least a little better.
> On the other hand, I might not have time to go through internetworkexpert
> too, as my exam is planned for 31st of January,
> and labs take a lot time, considering that I'm working full time 9am to
> 6pm.
>
>
> Many thanks and regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/4/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> That particular lab does not have a specific requirement for summarization
> (other than the total stub area). It is something that is sometimes done
> to minimize the route table in real life, and perhaps something the person
> who created this lab was used to doing.
>
> It doesn't fall into my rule of "no more no less" but it doesn't interfere
> with any other requirement either. I will lab this one back up and make
> sure the solutions don't break any rules, but plain old summarization is
> just to make things look tidier. (in theory!)
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE-M
> #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
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>
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>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> George Goglidze
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:35 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
>
> Hi Joseph,
>
> Thanks, that's the thing, in the Seciton 23 lab, they don't ask you to
> filter anything.
> Thanks for your help anyway.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On 11/3/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> Area range is used for LSA 3 (summary) filtering also, as well as
>> summarizing.
>>
>> Did any task say something like "all /32 routes should not appear",
>> etc outside area X (from a P2MP network, etc.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of George Goglidze
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 11:50 AM
>> To: Cisco certification
>> Subject: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In answers, they do "area range", but I read the lab many times, and
>> I don't find anywhere where it would ask to summarize anything.
>> not directly, not indirectly (at least I think so).
>>
>> Can you please tell me, according which task, we assume that we have
>> to summarize?
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
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