From: George Goglidze (goglidze@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 04 2007 - 18:53:57 ART
Hi Gary,
I think we should just stop this thread, as I see that people completely
misunderstood me.
and to make things worse, begin to judge me.
Anyway must be my English, maybe I was not able to explain myself very well.
Thank you very much for your input guys, I will definitely take into
consideration everything you said.
Wish you all a very good day,
George,
On 11/4/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with a lot of that.
>
> I use ipexpert myself and find the material very helpful in my lab
> preparations. So far as lab books and answers go the solutions are an
> illustration of how something that meets requirement should hang together.
> There may be alternatives. I don't regard Labbooks as an encyclopedia of
> canned configs to help pass the CCIE.
>
> I see no problem with checking solutions if you are completely stuck, you
> are after all *learning*. The main thing to keep in mind is you will not
> have the actual answers in the real lab. So you should be reliant on the
> solutions provided with workbooks less and less as time goes by. If that
> isn't happening you need to revisit your study approach. How you get into
> that space depends on the extent to which you are prepared to understand
> the
> hows and whys the solutions put forward meet the requirements. After each
> lab I do, I debrief and make my own notes about anything that left me
> stumped and act upon it by doing my own research. You should find that
> over
> time your proposed solutions to meet requirements in subsequent labs are
> closer to the actual solutions. Sometimes looking at solutions can help
> you
> put your reading into context.
>
> A labbook is a series of exercises getting you to work material and think
> about things with solutions offering an illustration of a way forward for
> those among us who can't come up with a decent answer. Sometimes the
> solutions jog your memory, sometimes the solutions offer enlightenment on
> things you already knew, sometimes the solutions educate you on new or
> novel
> ways to use things you already knew, sometimes they demonstrate IOS
> capabilities you never heard of before. Use all that to empower your own
> research and you have a helpful tool. As opposed to memorization and other
> exercises in futility.
>
> On that note I'm off now to read IPExpert lab "F" completely and propose
> my
> own solutions to each question. Then on another night I will lab it up.
> Hopefully my solution is close to IPExpert's, but hopefully not TOO close.
> Afterall I still have much to learn at this stage. One thing is for sure,
> I
> will run off and find out for myself WHY the given solution is different.
>
> That's the fun part as I do not buy proctor guides :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'George Goglidze'" <goglidze@gmail.com>; <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:42 PM
> Subject: RE: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
>
>
> > George,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have the IEWB Vol II Version 4.1 and the IEXPERT proctor's guide,
> > version
> > 9.0.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's a lot of material to use.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have done many labs both at home, at work and I have always reviewed
> > their
> > answers after doing my best to solve within 8 hours. A real expert does
> > not
> > need their solutions.
> >
> > You are not going to pass the lab doing labs and just looking at their
> > answers. Having the answers makes you a weaker candidate than one who
> can
> > use the DOC CD to grade their OWN SCORE on these practices labs. That
> is
> > how I do it now.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, while I have a lot of good things to say about both, I can tell you
> > the
> > answers that the proctor's guide had were very helpful. I got about same
> > insight from both vendors, expect for the first 5 labs with IEWB vol II,
> > which they really explained the basics.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are going to pass or fail, the answers the vendors give you in
> > their
> > workbooks having nothing to do with in.
> >
> >
> >
> > You need to learn the technologies at a CCIE's level to have a chance.
> The
> > real test is worded so tricky its mind boggling when I come home and
> > figure
> > out the answers on my rack.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: George Goglidze [mailto:goglidze@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:47 AM
> > To: smorris@ipexpert.com
> > Cc: Joseph Brunner; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Thanks for clarification.
> > it does not break anything.
> >
> > the problem is that, when I see something I think I was not asked to do,
> I
> > start to question all my abilities to interpret the tasks.
> > and it makes me think maybe my English or my technical skills are not
> good
> > enough, or whatever.
> >
> > I understand in real life, that would be a good thing to do.
> > but we're working on lab. and are using these workbooks to make sure we
> > know
> > things before we go for the real thing.
> >
> > this workbooks should be designed with this in mind, and not bring any
> > confusions in something as serious as a CCIE lab.
> >
> > As I go through all the sections (I'm on 25th now), I understand that
> the
> > solutions that are given are not worth the price we pay for it.
> > My company is looking forward for buying internetworkexpert now. hope it
> > will be at least a little better.
> > On the other hand, I might not have time to go through
> internetworkexpert
> > too, as my exam is planned for 31st of January,
> > and labs take a lot time, considering that I'm working full time 9am to
> > 6pm.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks and regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/4/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > That particular lab does not have a specific requirement for
> summarization
> > (other than the total stub area). It is something that is sometimes
> done
> > to minimize the route table in real life, and perhaps something the
> person
> > who created this lab was used to doing.
> >
> > It doesn't fall into my rule of "no more no less" but it doesn't
> interfere
> > with any other requirement either. I will lab this one back up and make
> > sure the solutions don't break any rules, but plain old summarization is
> > just to make things look tidier. (in theory!)
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE-M
> > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > George Goglidze
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:35 PM
> > To: Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
> >
> > Hi Joseph,
> >
> > Thanks, that's the thing, in the Seciton 23 lab, they don't ask you to
> > filter anything.
> > Thanks for your help anyway.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > On 11/3/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Area range is used for LSA 3 (summary) filtering also, as well as
> >> summarizing.
> >>
> >> Did any task say something like "all /32 routes should not appear",
> >> etc outside area X (from a P2MP network, etc.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> -Joe
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> Of George Goglidze
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 11:50 AM
> >> To: Cisco certification
> >> Subject: ipexpert v9.0 lab 23
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> In answers, they do "area range", but I read the lab many times, and
> >> I don't find anywhere where it would ask to summarize anything.
> >> not directly, not indirectly (at least I think so).
> >>
> >> Can you please tell me, according which task, we assume that we have
> >> to summarize?
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot,
> >>
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