From: CCIEin2006 (ciscocciein2006@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Oct 22 2007 - 14:49:43 ART
Let me clarify, when I say there is less focus on core technologies, I mean
a lot of it is already preconfigured for you (at least from
my experience). I think the lab is more about strange twists on core
technologies and stupid router tricks than about foundations.
Back in the day you got full points for just setting up a bgp peering.
Nowaday's the BGP peering may already be set up for you and to get points
you have to configure more obscure feature of BGP, or a strange twist on a
BGP feature.
With a vendor workbook, the challenge is in HOW to do a certain task.
With the CCIE lab, the challenge is in figuring out WHAT the task is asking
you to do!
On 10/22/07, Khawar Butt <khawarb@khawarb.com> wrote:
>
> I personally think that most of the CCIE exams are focused on the core
> technologies. In terms of the verbage in the questions, most of the
> current Workbooks, without breaking the NDA, do give the candidate a
> fair bit of idea on what type of questions to expect on the exam. Also,
> the wording has improved over the years.
>
> Khawar Butt
> CCIE#12353 (R/S , Security , SP , Voice)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:10 PM
> To: CCIEin2006; Gregory Gombas
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Here's and idea for a new workbook - CCIE Riddles!
>
>
> I'd disagree about the content of the Lab not being
> focused on the core topics.
>
> I believe it is and at least as much as in the past
> and arguably even more so.
>
> Without breaking the NDA...
>
> I'd say one who knows most of the rubik's cube of
> combos is in pretty good shape for almost enough to
> pass...
>
> Of course reading those questions to interpret the
> task properly is always the fun part.
>
> But they are crystal clear sometimes.
>
>
> --- CCIEin2006 <ciscocciein2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree.
> >
> > From a technical standpoint vendor workbooks are
> > excellent - they help you
> > learn the technologies inside out. And as Brian
> > Dennis says, they try not to
> > focus on stupid router tricks.
> >
> > Unfortunately I think the lab has become more about
> > stupid router tricks
> > than core technologies. Or I should say more about
> > stupid task wording than
> > core technologies. They expect everyone to already
> > know the core
> > technologies, so why bother focusing on those?
> >
> > Because vendors write their labs with the intention
> > to teach you the
> > technologies, they make the questions as
> > straightforward as possible.
> >
> > When I pick up an IE lab I know exactly what they
> > are asking me to do. The
> > diagram is beautiful, full color, and easy to read
> > (no I don't own stock in
> > IE). Lines are clearly drawn and you know exactly
> > what kind of connection to
> > configure.
> >
> > Without breaking the NDA, lets just say in the real
> > lab the diagrams are not
> > so pretty. I wasted a good hour trying to figure out
> > what one of the
> > connections was because it was not specified in the
> > lab what kind of
> > connection to use and the diagram was not clear. The
> > proctor was of course
> > no help.
> >
> > Also, as others have mentioned, the wording that the
> > workbook vendors use is
> > very straight forward. If they want you to confiugre
> > BGP confederations,
> > they'll say "hey dummy, configure BGP using
> > confederation id 65222 and peer
> > R1 to R2 blah blah blah."
> >
> > In the lab they might say something like "configure
> > these routers using the
> > guidelines set forth in RFC 3065." Well maybe that's
> > a bad example, but you
> > get my drift...
> >
> > My 2cents.
> >
> >
> > On 10/22/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a suggestion for CCIE vendors...
> > >
> > > With all the recent talk about ambiguity of the
> > lab questions, why not
> > > write a study guide called CCIE riddles? They
> > don't have to have full
> > > lab scenarios, just different word puzzles that
> > will make you think
> > > hard about what the task is asking you to do.
> > >
> > > Here's and example:
> > > You're manager, who is not very technical, has
> > tasked you to design a
> > > new network in the San Jose office using routers
> > R1 - R4. He has not
> > > told you which routing protocol to use, but if you
> > had your drothers,
> > > you would configure R3 and R4 to not talk to one
> > another.
> > >
> > > Answer:
> > > Configure OSPF with R1 and R2 as DR and BDR. R3
> > and R4 will be DROTHER
> > > state.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?
> > >
> > >
> >
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