From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Mon Oct 22 2007 - 16:45:17 ART
Here is what I say when I see a 22 year old rev'ing their Ferrari in the
Hamptons, or a older guy (say 74) with a 20-something girlie on his arm who
runs a hedge-fund.
"If anyone can do it, I can"
If you defeat yourself before you try, why try?
Just take it slow. Read each question carefully... then before you go to
"conf t" read it again. You can't afford to make too many mistakes, yes...
But I don't think you need a Shakespearean command of the English language
to get 80 points either...
You have printed out key areas of the DOC CD yet, and gone over them with a
fine tooth comb, right?
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
CCIEin2006
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Khawar Butt
Cc: Darby Weaver; Gregory Gombas; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Here's and idea for a new workbook - CCIE Riddles!
Let me clarify, when I say there is less focus on core technologies, I mean
a lot of it is already preconfigured for you (at least from
my experience). I think the lab is more about strange twists on core
technologies and stupid router tricks than about foundations.
Back in the day you got full points for just setting up a bgp peering.
Nowaday's the BGP peering may already be set up for you and to get points
you have to configure more obscure feature of BGP, or a strange twist on a
BGP feature.
With a vendor workbook, the challenge is in HOW to do a certain task.
With the CCIE lab, the challenge is in figuring out WHAT the task is asking
you to do!
On 10/22/07, Khawar Butt <khawarb@khawarb.com> wrote:
>
> I personally think that most of the CCIE exams are focused on the core
> technologies. In terms of the verbage in the questions, most of the
> current Workbooks, without breaking the NDA, do give the candidate a
> fair bit of idea on what type of questions to expect on the exam. Also,
> the wording has improved over the years.
>
> Khawar Butt
> CCIE#12353 (R/S , Security , SP , Voice)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:10 PM
> To: CCIEin2006; Gregory Gombas
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Here's and idea for a new workbook - CCIE Riddles!
>
>
> I'd disagree about the content of the Lab not being
> focused on the core topics.
>
> I believe it is and at least as much as in the past
> and arguably even more so.
>
> Without breaking the NDA...
>
> I'd say one who knows most of the rubik's cube of
> combos is in pretty good shape for almost enough to
> pass...
>
> Of course reading those questions to interpret the
> task properly is always the fun part.
>
> But they are crystal clear sometimes.
>
>
> --- CCIEin2006 <ciscocciein2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree.
> >
> > From a technical standpoint vendor workbooks are
> > excellent - they help you
> > learn the technologies inside out. And as Brian
> > Dennis says, they try not to
> > focus on stupid router tricks.
> >
> > Unfortunately I think the lab has become more about
> > stupid router tricks
> > than core technologies. Or I should say more about
> > stupid task wording than
> > core technologies. They expect everyone to already
> > know the core
> > technologies, so why bother focusing on those?
> >
> > Because vendors write their labs with the intention
> > to teach you the
> > technologies, they make the questions as
> > straightforward as possible.
> >
> > When I pick up an IE lab I know exactly what they
> > are asking me to do. The
> > diagram is beautiful, full color, and easy to read
> > (no I don't own stock in
> > IE). Lines are clearly drawn and you know exactly
> > what kind of connection to
> > configure.
> >
> > Without breaking the NDA, lets just say in the real
> > lab the diagrams are not
> > so pretty. I wasted a good hour trying to figure out
> > what one of the
> > connections was because it was not specified in the
> > lab what kind of
> > connection to use and the diagram was not clear. The
> > proctor was of course
> > no help.
> >
> > Also, as others have mentioned, the wording that the
> > workbook vendors use is
> > very straight forward. If they want you to confiugre
> > BGP confederations,
> > they'll say "hey dummy, configure BGP using
> > confederation id 65222 and peer
> > R1 to R2 blah blah blah."
> >
> > In the lab they might say something like "configure
> > these routers using the
> > guidelines set forth in RFC 3065." Well maybe that's
> > a bad example, but you
> > get my drift...
> >
> > My 2cents.
> >
> >
> > On 10/22/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a suggestion for CCIE vendors...
> > >
> > > With all the recent talk about ambiguity of the
> > lab questions, why not
> > > write a study guide called CCIE riddles? They
> > don't have to have full
> > > lab scenarios, just different word puzzles that
> > will make you think
> > > hard about what the task is asking you to do.
> > >
> > > Here's and example:
> > > You're manager, who is not very technical, has
> > tasked you to design a
> > > new network in the San Jose office using routers
> > R1 - R4. He has not
> > > told you which routing protocol to use, but if you
> > had your drothers,
> > > you would configure R3 and R4 to not talk to one
> > another.
> > >
> > > Answer:
> > > Configure OSPF with R1 and R2 as DR and BDR. R3
> > and R4 will be DROTHER
> > > state.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?
> > >
> > >
> >
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