From: Simon Grace (SimonG@pcsystems.gr)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 16:28:04 ART
I work for a partner and I've had to go the same route as everyone else.
If this isn't the case then please let me know and I'll have a word with
our Cisco account manager.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Colin McNamara
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:42 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
Cisco employees get three subsidized attempts at the lab, not unlimited
attempts. And to be fair, anybody out there in the partner world has
pretty much the same deal.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233 "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 08:58 +0100, nasir.shaikh@bt.com wrote: > I believe that even Cisco employees have to pay for the exam. It may be > internal invoicing but it's not free. > > And the equipment at the labs is also paid for by the CCIE program. > > At least that is what I was given to understand. > > Nasir Shaikh | CCIE #15845 | Senior Consultant | BT | Global > Professional Services > Mob: +31 (0) 6 54 63 50 05 | E: nasir.shaikh@bt.com | > www.bt.com/consulting > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Gregory Gombas > Sent: woensdag 10 oktober 2007 3:32 > To: Security Architect (NetSec) > Cc: Brad Ellis; smorris@ipexpert.com; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric > Dobyns; Brian Dennis; ccielab@groupstudy.com; <thepiper@one.net>; > comserv@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > How about making Cisco employees pay for lab attempts? > > That ought to free up the schedule considering 2/3 of the people > taking the lab are Cisco employees. > > Hell if I didn't have to pay for the lab I'd take it every 30 days > myself! > > On 10/9/07, Security Architect (NetSec) > <security_architect@netsecdesign.com> wrote: > > Another $0.02: > > > > > > While I would prefer NOT to have a two day lab; IMHO 1-2 hours would > be tough > > to fold into the 8 hour time frame. The current format can be > completed in > > about 6 hours, which allows 1-2 hours for making sure everything works > right. > > Perhaps another 4 hour session the next day for network > > attacks/troubleshooting. If they are going to charge more for the lab > you > > might as well get your money's worth... > > > > > > On 10/9/07 1:35 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > > I agree with you 100%. The main problem is the "qualification exam" > ie, > > the "written exam" isn't a very good measure of an engineer's > readiness > > to attempt the lab exam. I think there needs to be a legitimate > > qualification exam that truly can attest to the level of the engineers > > competency. For CCIE R&S, there used to be wireless on the written > exam. > > Now there is MPLS on the written. Both technologies not being covered > by > > the lab exam. How is this an accurate measure of the engineer's > > abilities to attempt the lab exam? It's not! There needs to be a more > > accurate measurement in place. Once that happens, I think the wait > time > > between attempts will diminish. I also think the length of time you > have > > to wait between attempts should correlate to your last lab exam score. > > Opening up some more testing centers wouldn't be a bad idea either. > Just > > my $.02 > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:34 PM > > To: Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then they'll take > a > > different approach. > > > > 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If you can't figure > > enough things out to fix, you obviously don't know what's going on and > > shouldn't get to the "real" lab. > > > > 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't make > > troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and therefore can't > > possibly > > copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early. > > > > Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've figured out the > > answers > > and can actually make things work! But splitting things up like this > > will > > give a higher test of people's deep understanding of technologies > rather > > than any sort of memorization for stuff going on. > > > > Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing the time > between > > labs > > will irritate more good people than it will deter the ones you are > > trying to > > keep out. > > > > Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter based on > that! > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, > > JNCIE-M > > #153, CISSP, et al. > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc. > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor > > > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits! > > > > smorris@ipexpert.com > > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130 > > http://www.ipexpert.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Brad > > Ellis > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch of problems: > > > > 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test sites" to get > > updates > > 2) The backlog wouldnb t be so bad - there would be a lot more seats > > available > > 3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30 days until I > > pass" > > technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab like that 8 or > more > > times until they pass. (This method gives a high percentage of "same > > lab" > > possibilities.) > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher M. Heffner [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:07 AM > > To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > Now that would really "suck" big time! > > > > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760 > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc. > > > > www.certified-labs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy from 30 days to > 6 > > months for failed tests...but just rumors so far. > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Christopher M. Heffner > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM > > To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > Importance: Low > > > > Please DON'T give them any ideas. > > > > This is an expensive enough profession. > > > > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760 > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc. > > > > www.certified-labs.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM > > To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > Right now, I think they could charge twice that and still fill up > their > > seats. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Brian Dennis > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-) > > > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP) > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada) > > > > > > > > On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner wrote: > > > > > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by Cisco for the > > > CCIE Labs? > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for the lab is now > > > $1400.00 per attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > I donb t see any announcement on the CCIE website for the price > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this just being quietly changed without an announcement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760 > > > > > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK "http://www.certified-labs.com/"www.certified-labs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > b(* > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1046 - Release Date: > > > 10/3/2007 10:08 AM > > > > >
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