From: istong@stong.org
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 07:54:00 ART
I have a friend that works for Cisco and his lab exams were
free (I think up to 3 attempts) since it was related to his
job. In addition he will receive a bonus if he passes the
lab exam and obtains his CCIE.
Ian
www.ccie4u.com
Rack Rentals and discounted lab workbooks
> I believe that even Cisco employees have to pay for the
> exam. It may be internal invoicing but it's not free.
>
> And the equipment at the labs is also paid for by the CCIE
> program.
>
> At least that is what I was given to understand.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of Gregory Gombas
> Sent: woensdag 10 oktober 2007 3:32
> To: Security Architect (NetSec)
> Cc: Brad Ellis; smorris@ipexpert.com; Christopher M.
> Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> ; <thepiper@one.net>; comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> How about making Cisco employees pay for lab attempts?
>
> That ought to free up the schedule considering 2/3 of the
> people taking the lab are Cisco employees.
>
> Hell if I didn't have to pay for the lab I'd take it every
> 30 days myself!
>
> On 10/9/07, Security Architect (NetSec)
> <security_architect@netsecdesign.com> wrote:
> > Another $0.02:
> >
> >
> > While I would prefer NOT to have a two day lab; IMHO 1-2
> hours would be tough
> > to fold into the 8 hour time frame. The current format
> can be completed in
> > about 6 hours, which allows 1-2 hours for making sure
> everything works right.
> > Perhaps another 4 hour session the next day for network
> > attacks/troubleshooting. If they are going to charge
> more for the lab you
> > might as well get your money's worth...
> >
> >
> > On 10/9/07 1:35 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote: >
> > Scott,
> >
> > I agree with you 100%. The main problem is the
> "qualification exam" ie,
> > the "written exam" isn't a very good measure of an
> engineer's readiness
> > to attempt the lab exam. I think there needs to be a
> > legitimate qualification exam that truly can attest to
> > the level of the engineers competency. For CCIE R&S,
> there used to be wireless on the written exam.
> > Now there is MPLS on the written. Both technologies not
> being covered by
> > the lab exam. How is this an accurate measure of the
> > engineer's abilities to attempt the lab exam? It's not!
> > There needs to be a more accurate measurement in place.
> Once that happens, I think the wait time
> > between attempts will diminish. I also think the length
> of time you have
> > to wait between attempts should correlate to your last
> > lab exam score. Opening up some more testing centers
> wouldn't be a bad idea either. Just
> > my $.02
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:34 PM
> > To: Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns;
> > Brian Dennis Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > security@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then
> they'll take a
> > different approach.
> >
> > 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If
> > you can't figure enough things out to fix, you obviously
> > don't know what's going on and shouldn't get to the
> "real" lab. >
> > 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't
> > make troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and
> > therefore can't possibly
> > copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early.
> >
> > Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've
> > figured out the answers
> > and can actually make things work! But splitting things
> > up like this will
> > give a higher test of people's deep understanding of
> technologies rather
> > than any sort of memorization for stuff going on.
> >
> > Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing
> the time between
> > labs
> > will irritate more good people than it will deter the
> > ones you are trying to
> > keep out.
> >
> > Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter
> based on that!
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brad
> > Ellis
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM
> > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch
> of problems: >
> > 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test
> > sites" to get updates
> > 2) The backlog wouldnb t be so bad - there would be a
> > lot more seats available
> > 3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30
> > days until I pass"
> > technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab
> like that 8 or more
> > times until they pass. (This method gives a high
> > percentage of "same lab"
> > possibilities.)
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > Register to win a free iPhone!
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christopher M. Heffner
> > [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com] Sent: Tuesday,
> > October 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns;
> > Brian Dennis Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > security@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > Now that would really "suck" big time!
> >
> > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> >
> > www.certified-labs.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy
> from 30 days to 6
> > months for failed tests...but just rumors so far.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > Register to win a free iPhone!
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Christopher M. Heffner
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM
> > To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > Importance: Low
> >
> > Please DON'T give them any ideas.
> >
> > This is an expensive enough profession.
> >
> > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> >
> > www.certified-labs.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM
> > To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > Right now, I think they could charge twice that and
> still fill up their
> > seats.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brian Dennis
> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM
> > To: Christopher M. Heffner
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-)
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner
> wrote: >
> > > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by
> > > Cisco for the CCIE Labs?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for
> > > the lab is now $1400.00 per attempt.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I donb t see any announcement on the CCIE website for
> > > the price increase.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this just being quietly changed without an
> > announcement? >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> > >
> > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.certified-labs.com/"www.certified-labs.com >
> > >
> > >
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