From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 04:11:06 ART
Hey,
Back in the day - alot of people failed on cabling
and basic IP Subnetting.
Lots of people still have trouble with Bridging and
even Frame Relay.
Nevermind core switching....
People who have never seen a rack or real router will
be CCIE's soon if not already.
Hey if you are a CCIE and cannot identify a piece of
Cisco Gear, what will that say about the program?
But then the gear does have Cisco written somewhere -
so they fixed this already.
Think about it.
--- "Rahmlow, Howard F." <Howard.F.Rahmlow@unisys.com>
wrote:
> Sounds good - I still have my old lab notes, and
> group study emails -
> Maybe they could bring back the 2500, and Cat 5000
> at the same time.
>
>
> Howard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> istong
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:03 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Christopher M.
> Heffner'; 'Eric
> Dobyns'; 'Brian Dennis'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Hmmm,
>
> That sounds a lot like the old 2 day lab but
> condensed and reversed :)
>
>
> Ian
> www.ccie4u.com
> Rack Rentals and Discounted Workbooks
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:34 PM
> To: 'Brad Ellis'; 'Christopher M. Heffner'; 'Eric
> Dobyns'; 'Brian
> Dennis'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> If they want to make serious progress in that idea,
> then they'll take a
> different approach.
>
> 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours.
> If you can't figure
> enough things out to fix, you obviously don't know
> what's going on and
> shouldn't get to the "real" lab.
>
> 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who
> don't make
> troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and
> therefore can't
> possibly
> copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early.
>
> Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've
> figured out the
> answers
> and can actually make things work! But splitting
> things up like this
> will
> give a higher test of people's deep understanding of
> technologies rather
> than any sort of memorization for stuff going on.
>
> Just my thoughts. But raising the price or
> increasing the time between
> labs
> will irritate more good people than it will deter
> the ones you are
> trying to
> keep out.
>
> Some people know how things work, others do not.
> Filter based on that!
>
> Just my two cents.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE-M
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning
> Credits!
>
> smorris@ipexpert.com
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brad
> Ellis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian
> Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> It might suck, but that would definitely solve a
> bunch of problems:
>
> 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test
> sites" to get
> updates
> 2) The backlog wouldnbt be so bad - there would be
> a lot more seats
> available
> 3) People would stop using the "take the test every
> 30 days until I
> pass"
> technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab
> like that 8 or more
> times until they pass. (This method gives a high
> percentage of "same
> lab"
> possibilities.)
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher M. Heffner
> [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Now that would really "suck" big time!
>
> Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> www.certified-labs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian
> Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take
> policy from 30 days to 6
> months for failed tests...but just rumors so far.
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>
> Register to win a free iPhone!
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Christopher M. Heffner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM
> To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> Importance: Low
>
> Please DON'T give them any ideas.
>
> This is an expensive enough profession.
>
> Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> www.certified-labs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Right now, I think they could charge twice that and
> still fill up their
> seats.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Dennis
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner
> wrote:
>
> > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made
> by Cisco for the
> > CCIE Labs?
> >
> >
> >
> > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price
> for the lab is now
> > $1400.00 per attempt.
> >
> >
> >
> > I donbt see any announcement on the CCIE website
> for the price
> > increase.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is this just being quietly changed without an
> announcement?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> >
> > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > HYPERLINK
>
"http://www.certified-labs.com/"www.certified-labs.com
> >
> >
> >
> > b(*
> >
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