From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 04:02:21 ART
Chris,
Contrar my friend. I have seen personally that the
CCIE Developement team does watch these this forum
with interest and with intent.
They do care about the program.
They do care about what we think - we are something
like a customer... old fashioned concept.
Now from what I have read thus far, our friend was
apparently confronted about this incident in the lab.
As was at least one other person. So the proctor had
his reasons no doubt for thinking as he did.
This is very serious and could affect the way we enter
the lab exam in the future.
Apparently a "note" or "notes" were found and those
notes were "not on the paper given by the proctors".
Now if our friend here is innocent and did not bring
notes to the lab, that is one thing.
If he he did, then it is another.
The problem is what can a person do if he/she did not
bring notes but were accused of doing so?
There really is very little recourse.
However, we as CCIE candidates want to believe in the
integrity of the program as a whole and in our
proctors.
I, for one, have always found the proctors to be very
professional and very helpful.
This person is concerned about his career and should
be, since this is a serious offense.
Cisco is concerned about the integrity of the entire
CCIE program, as we all should be.
From the treads I've read up to know, and I've seen
the email chain, the Cisco Security Team probably have
a strong case and it seems they took a little while to
properly weigh the options.
Banning someone for life and stripping all certs is
pretty serious.
The question we all should be asking is "how arbitrary
is the process"?
Even if a student is expelled for cheating from a
College Campus, they still have some rights.
Cisco makes their case clear - break the rules and you
are banned for life - per the lastest CCIE update.
It is their program, but it is also ours. We all have
significant investments in time and money too.
The vendors here have incredible amounts invested.
Everyone who takes the time and commits the effort has
a lot invested.
While we do not want to give cheaters any breaks, we
still should want a fair process.
However, I still think the CCIE Proctors would never
risk their integrity or career on making such a
mistake and the situation is probably well-founded.
Remember, what are the odds that 4 people taking the
lab have the same lab or even are taking the same
track for that matter.
So...
Just sitting around not sleeping and decided to chime
in.
All any of has is an opinion.
Since only a few people were there, only those folks
know the facts.
--- Chris Tevlin <nobody@groupstudy.com> wrote:
> Hitesh,
>
> I'm unclear what you hope to gain by posting
> this thread here. It seems
> to me that there isn't any member of this study
> group that can directly
> influence the decision made by Cisco Systems. Under
> the circumstances, I
> find the practice of posting your dialog with Cisco
> a bit distasteful. You
> are certainly free to post what you'd like, but know
> that public opinion is
> a double-edged sword; you may not achieve much
> sympathy. If you truly feel
> that you have been unfairly accused, you must appeal
> to the decision
> authority directly. Keep in mind that your conduct
> inside the exam is what
> has been called into question, but your conduct
> outside of the exam is also
> likely to matter if any further consideration is
> undertaken by Cisco.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
>
> ""Hitesh Panchani"" wrote in message
> news:200710091607.l99G7jHU002598@groupstudy.com...
> > sad.gif
> > BANNED BY CISCO
> > sad.gif
> >
> > I was told by forum in Sadikhov to post my problem
> here.
> >
> > I did CCIE lab exam and not receiving result with
> in 48 hr so I contact
> > Cisco support desk. They told me I didn't done lab
> yet. I told them this
> > is
> > my 3rd attempt for lab and I couldnb?Tt receive my
> result yet. It is more
> > then 48hr and I couldnb?Tt receive my result and I
> couldnb?Tt open my CCIE
> > login. Cisco did open my case cert case. Told by
> helpdesk some one will
> > contact in 48hr but still no contact in 48hr so I
> did contact Cisco again
> > they said there is database have problem your case
> is passed to IT staff
> > and
> > they will take 5 working days to respond. AS soon
> as database fix will
> > give
> > you update. After 5 days they didn't contact so I
> made contact again and
> > helpdesk told me Head of IT is dealing with your
> case and it took 7 days
> > to
> > investigate why database is missing. I made
> contact after 7days then Cisco
> > helpdesk says your case is in security officer
> they will contact in 10
> > day.
> > So we are closing your case now and you have to
> wait for security team
> > response they will send you mail or letter. I
> received mail from CISCO as
> > below:
> >
> > Via Federal Express and [Electronic Mail]
> >
> > Hitesh
> > Candidate ID 207489284
> > *******@hotmail.com
> >
> > Address
> > United Kingdom, Europe
> >
> > Re: Violation of CCIE Candidate Conduct
> Policy-Possession of notes during
> > exam
> >
> > Dear Hitesh,
> > I am writing to you on behalf of Cisco, Inc.
> (b?oCiscob? ). It has come
> > to
> > our attention that on September 9th 2007 your CCIE
> Lab exam proctor
> > discovered notes regarding exam question
> configurations at your assigned
> > testing station. The proctor reported that upon
> confronting you with
> > these
> > notes that you admitted they belonged to you. As
> you should be aware,
> > possession of notes during testing is a violation
> of the Candidate Conduct
> > Policy which states:
> >
> > b?oNo candidate will take any action that will
> compromise the integrity or
> > confidentiality of a Cisco Certification
> examination or otherwise
> > compromise
> > the integrity of the Cisco Certification program.
> Such actions include but
> > are not limited to:
> > Using any aids, notes, equipment or other
> materials not authorized by the
> > TestingDelivery Partners or Cisco during the
> exam.b?
> >
> > You signed a Cisco Career Certification and
> Confidentiality Agreement
> > that
> > prior to your exam. To paraphrase this agreement,
> Cisco may at its sole
> > discretion revoke any and all Certifications you
> may have earned, and
> > permanently ban you from earning future
> Certifications if Cisco
> > determines,
> > in its sole discretion, that you have undertaken
> or participated in any
> > action that compromises the integrity and
> confidentiality of an
> > examination
> > or the Program.
> >
> > As a result, you are hereby permanently prohibited
> from taking any Cisco
> > examinations, including CCIE written and
> laboratory examinations, and any
> > Cisco certifications with VUE, Ciscob?Ts
> Authorized Testing Delivery
> > Partner. Access to your candidate records in the
> Certifications Tracking
> > System is also denied.
> >
> > The intention of Cisco career certifications is to
> ensure high standards
> > of
> > technical expertise. Achieving Cisco
> certificationb?"at any levelb?"means
> > joining the ranks of skilled network professionals
> who have earned
> > recognition and respect in the industry.
> Maintaining the integrity of
> > Cisco
> > certification programs and ensuring that only
> qualified individuals
> > receive
> > certification is in the interest of everyone.
> >
> > Thank you for your cooperation.
> > Sincerely,
> > Kathe Saccenti, CCIE 2099
> > Mgr, Operations - Labs
> > Learning@Cisco.com
> > Cc: VQS JW
> >
> > REPLY FROM CISCO AFTER I REPLAYED TO ABOVE EMAIL
> >
> > As I stated in the letter I sent you, we reserve
> the right to deny
> > testing to individuals that violate our policies.
> > The report and the evidence submitted, correspond
> fully to your
> > configurations.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Hp***** [mailto:hp*****@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:16 AM
> > To: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent)
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Notification
> >
> > Hi Kathe
> >
> > I deny any wrong doing with any cisco
> certification. I was called up by
> > the proctor after he had called the other
> candidate first, he presented
> > me with a piece of paper, said to be found on my
> desk. I denied it
> > immediately as I would be cheating with myself
> first. Proctor mention
> > there was a "access list" on that piece of paper,
> to which I said "can I
> > see it" reply "no" at some point in proctor
> mention that "if it not
> > your, you do not need to worry about it", at that
> point I left the
> > building. Proctor told me that somebody will
> contact me within 48hrs
> > will contact me, which never happen, that why I
> raised the ticket
> > (070911-000286)on 11 Sep 2007, not knowing what
> department to contact I
> > started the general query.
> >
> > I left my work in NOV 2006 to pursuit my long term
> plan of obtaining the
> > CCIE. I have been planning to become CCIE since
> 2000 and gradually
> > getting closer to my goal (my life achievement).
> If you look at your
> > records, this was my third attempt, and I was
> willing to one more
> > attempt before giving it up. The concept of these
> labs is to understand
> > the technology first and later configuration
> command.
> >
> > I realised the importance of the standards set by
> the CCIE
> > qualification. I would appreciate if you would
> reconsider your decision.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Hitesh
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