From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 29 2007 - 23:30:37 ART
To be honest, i did not know that the conversation that i was having with
Victor and Darby will be publicly announced by Darby, my issue with Brad was
between Brad and i and if i wanted to publicly announce the issues i would
have done it myself. The only thing that i stated in the e-mail to Victor
and Darby was if they could let people know that i am going to conduct my
promotional classes in LA and Vegas, but next thing i know i have a spokes
man on Group Study.
I even ask this individual not to mention this to everyone, but
unfortunately it was too late and he had mentioned it publicly. Maybe Victor
wanted his case to be heard, but i certainly did not.
I know that there is no way for a firm to hold anyone's CCSI number hostage
and I was trying to help Victor and find a procedure that he can go through
to release his CCSI. May be Brad was going to do it anyway.
To everyone, my problem with Brad is no longer a problem; I have forgotten
the entire thing. Once again I did NOT know that my conversation with Victor
and Darby was going to be told to everyone on the GS. I am not happy about
it, but life goes on.
On 9/29/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Let's try not to bring everyone into the mix of what I'm sure is a purely
> personal business arrangement there. I have done work for NLI in the
> past,
> and >I< never had problems getting paid. I can't say the same about NLI's
> sponsoring CLP - Tech 2000 though. But still, not everyone has the same
> experiences with anyone or everyone, so don't try to lump them with any
> quip
> about "Is this how the game is played?"
>
> If you feel like being a contract lawyer, go take Victor's case and
> analyze
> the details. Until then, help him out however you want or however you
> can,
> but no sense dragging this in the public view without a representation of
> both sides. If Brad wants to engage publically, I'm sure that'll be his
> decision to make.
>
> I do feel bad for Victor, and I agree it's very sad news prima facie.
> Victor has things to think about and has been given some contacts by which
> to engage however he sees fit.
>
> Ethics are an interesting term, and always depend on certain viewpoints as
> well as having all the information rather than just a convenient little
> snippet. Let's all just play nice.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 1:57 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians; Victor Cappuccio
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Jay.Hanke@alltel.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: NLI R&S volume 7 Lab 3
>
> This is very sad news to be hearing.
>
> Are you guys saying that that NLI asked you to write workbooks for the
> CCIE
> Lab Studies and that NLI, Brad Ellis, or whoever you struck a deal with
> did
> not pay you for your work...
>
> Well...
>
> Is this how the game is played?
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Brad,
>
> Is this true? Are you doing what they say you are doing or have already
> done?
>
> Ouch!
>
> I guess if the labs are to be given away as freeware then who would buy
> them
> anyway from NLI.
>
> Anyone who has seen Victor's work (not quite a CCIE with digits yet) knows
> he is a quality engineer, and is quite capable with the CLI - A young
> Brian
> Dennis or Val Pavlichencko in the making...
>
> This is not good for NLI and may not bode well for other vendors of
> workbooks as well.
>
> Is this common practice?
>
> I've also heard of stories where some CCIE instructors have not been paid
> for training for some of the named vendors on this list.
>
> Ouch!!!
>
> Guys,
>
> We need to be ethical and we need to play by the rules.
>
> Satisfy these folks in private or something - or do we wait till this
> story
> hits all of the forums for the rest of the Internet to see...
>
> I get a feeling it won't be long if not handled quickly, courteously, and
> very professionally.
>
>
>
> --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He can not hold your CCSI, if you have a firm that will hire you as a
> > trainer, you can get that training company to force your CCSI out of
> > there.
> > You can get your CCSI out of NLI if you want to, do you want me to
> > tell you the procedure?
> > He has not paid me for the worok books that he sold.
> > I hope that he gets
> > his, by the way please let every one know that i am holding a CCIE R&S
> > boot camp in Vegas for 2500 dollars per person which includes
> > accomodation.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/29/07, Victor Cappuccio <vcappuccio@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Guys for the heads up
> > >
> > > Yes Narbik I wrote lab 35 and 13 labs more, I am
> > not sure about the
> > > intelectual property, but sinceBrad Ellis CEO of
> > NLI did not paid for 8 labs
> > > I am willing to give them away free
> > >
> > > Victor.-
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/29/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And holding one's CCSI hostage is not nice and
> > it
> > > > seems that Victor needs his for employment at
> > the
> > > > moment very badly.
> > > >
> > > > It does not have to be public, but Victor could
> > use
> > > > his credentials freed up a bit...
> > > >
> > > > Hint Hint..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Victor did you write these labs?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/29/07, Victor Cappuccio
> > <vcappuccio@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jay the password for lab 35 is secret, I
> > hope
> > > > > this helps at this time
> > > > > > Yes it was something I did not intentionaly
> > and
> > > > > did not place that in the
> > > > > > wording of lab 35
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not working any longer in ccbootcamp
> > and I am
> > > > > looking for a job. and
> > > > > > Brad, I need my CCSI Number to be released
> > from
> > > > > NLI
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Victor Cappuccio
> > > > > > www.vcappuccio.wordpress.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9/28/07, Darby Weaver
> > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You might ask Victor C. - I think he may
> > know
> > > > > somthing
> > > > > > > of this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I'm not sure if he's still working or
> > > > > associated
> > > > > > > with NLI.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Jay.Hanke@alltel.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is an enable secret in the default
> > > > > configs for
> > > > > > > > the routers and
> > > > > > > > switches that has caught me by surprise
> > after
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > reload! I'm working
> > > > > > > > through the lab now. If anyone knows the
> > > > > enable
> > > > > > > > secret it would save me
> > > > > > > > a lot of rework!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jay
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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