From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Sep 24 2007 - 19:49:34 ART
I'll second Joe's perspective on the issue. The CCIE
Certification is a requirement for partners mostly,
some other employers require it as a benchmark
certification, and still others require it... right
along with the CCNA and MCSE... - Hmmm...
What it is for many of us who seek it either casually
or obsessively is really a means of improving our core
skills and becoming more familiar with the sublime.
So the value of the CCIE, or of multiple CCIE's or of
even no CCIE will vary per person and that person's
goals, ambition, and personality as he/she strives
towards achieving the CCIE and beyond.
Also note, it was never the goal of the CCIE Program
to merely churn out people who could pass the CCIE Lab
exams per se. It is the goal of the CCIE Program to
help create a higher quality Network Engineer more
capable and ready to support a Cisco Powered Network.
So... did you say you want to be a CCIE or a Quality
Network Engineer - some times they are one and the
same and some times - they are not.
--- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> You're wrong...
>
> Forget the certification in and of it self. Consider
> what value knowing a
> "CCIE" level of knowledge is worth. You need to be
> an excellent designer,
> integrator, troubleshooter, and much much more to be
> worth anything.
>
> I have ran on about all the bad people I have worked
> with over the years...
>
> You should at least do it to make sure if you are in
> the field you have a
> clue of what you're doing...
>
> I solve problems all the time in my consulting arena
> that because of my CCIE
> studies are easy and take seconds. Years back they
> would have taken days or
> I wouldn't have been able to solve them at all.
>
> ;)
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Santiamo
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:26 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Hurry up and get your number before its
> too late!
>
> Kind of indicates a market trend or belief that the
> CCIE is not as viable
> in todays job market and that it looks to become
> less viable. Kind of makes
> me wonder, what would be the point of achieving the
> CCIE if others believe
> it is easy or not worth as much?
>
> I am studying for my R&S as my first IE attempt,
> then move on to the
> Security. I will not move beyond two, since I
> believe it is not feasible to
> realistically be an expert beyond two. But, with
> everything that I have
> seen on the market and on Groupstudy, I am starting
> get really discouraged
> in the pursuit of the CCIE.
>
> Any advice from the ones you have been out there for
> a while?
>
> Santi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:31 AM
> To: WorkerBee
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its
> too late!
>
> Numbers aside, lots of people survive complex work
> and responsibilities
> without the CCIE. They basically want someone with
> the CCIE who has
> experience really and this is the yardstick they
> choose to use. Anyone
> whizzo who has recently found the time to clear the
> CCIE need not apply. Any
> old timers who got laid off the last few years but
> kept up with recerts can
> apply.
>
> Strange. But I suppose they have their reasons!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WorkerBee" <ciscobee@gmail.com>
> To: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>
> Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>;
> "Gregory Gombas"
> <ggombas@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its
> too late!
>
>
> > What the ads is trying to say is, I want a CCIE
> with at least 2 years of
> > being
> > a CCIE after passing the lab exam. numbers < 15000
> will at least have
> > gone through
> > one paper re-certification. Probably, they should
> rephrase it as
> > "minimum 2 years of working experience as a
> certified CCIE" maybe
> > sounds more pleasant...
> >
> > Passing the lab and carrying that number with you
> with your job is a
> > massive
> > responsibility. If you can survive that massive
> number hanging around the
> > neck
> > for at least 2 years and working in networking
> related field with a
> > fairly decent
> > complex work, chances are, you're not a *fake*
> paper CCIE. :p
> >
> > Sales folks also carry number, so does a CCIE. But
> the good thing is,
> > our number never grows year-on-year~ :)
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/07, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>
> wrote:
> >> Oooooh...Nrf's gonna get you guys.... ;-)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Scott Vermillion
> >> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:19 PM
> >> To: 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Joseph Brunner'
> >> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> >> Subject: RE: Hurry up and get your number before
> its too late!
> >>
> >> Used car salesmen have values??
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Gregory Gombas
> >> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:03 PM
> >> To: Joseph Brunner
> >> Cc: Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before
> its too late!
> >>
> >> Yup - There are a lot of clueless managers who
> think the CCIE is now a
> >> lot
> >> easier than it was back in the days. These are
> the same ex-engineers who
> >> haven't logged into a router in five years.
> >>
> >> Can you believe I even had a headhunter tell me
> once that the CCIE is
> >> easy
> >> now and you can find copies of the lab on the
> web!!!
> >> This is coming from someone with little more
> technical ability and the
> >> values of a used car salesman!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/21/07, Joseph Brunner
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> >> > Really?
> >> >
> >> > My old boss was like 65XX. Do you think he has
> a clue about modern
> >> > qos,
> >> and
> >> > what is going on now?
> >> >
> >> > I once had to explain to him why we don't use
> custom queuing for our
> >> > voip between the offices... ;)
> >> >
> >> > The time holding the CCIE doesn't always
> translate into more years of
> >> > staying on top. Not all Generals serve in Brian
> Dennis's, Scott
> >> > Morris's
> >> and
> >> > Nardik's active duty command.
> >> >
> >> > Many retreat to arm chair's, bbq's and raising
> children.
> >> >
> >> > I interviewed 89XX back in March. It was as
> disaster. He was a double
> >> > IE, R&S/SECURITY. He couldn't tell me how to
> configure a catalyst
> >> > switch to support a cisco voip deployment.
> >> >
> >> > NO kidding...
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> > Of Gregory Gombas
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:11 AM
> >> > To: Cisco certification
> >> > Subject: Hurry up and get your number before
> its too late!
> >> >
> >> > Check out this job ad - says they prefer CCIE
> below 15000. I remember
> >> > a few years ago they wanted CCIE's below 10000.
> Next it will be below
> >> > 20000 - hope I make that threshold!
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/f/6/f6d
> >> >
>
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> >> >
> >> >
>
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