From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list.com@it-ag.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 2007 - 17:16:59 ART
I said something?? Oh yeah...
And also I like to turn that capture function on in Dynamips and break
stuff. I do lots more than just the prescribed labs. I've always learned
more from breaking stuff than from building stuff (which come to think of it
might explain why I seem to do so much more of the former than the latter,
LOL!)...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Guyler, Rik
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:48 PM
To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Gary Duncanson'
Cc: cristian.ionescu@omnilogic.ro; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: ..going to brussels....failed
I heard that! What did you say again? ;-)
I haven't even started my labs yet and don't plan to until the first of next
year. I've been hitting all the research and theory hard and will continue
that pace until January unless I run out of stuff to read. Doesn't sound
likely, does it?
Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list.com@it-ag.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:38 PM
To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Gary Duncanson'
Cc: 'Guyler, Rik'; cristian.ionescu@omnilogic.ro; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: ..going to brussels....failed
I honestly with I could claim that I haven't learned a darned thing from
IEWB#1 but it would be a lie, flat out. And I can easily see how some of
the more subtle things I've learned thus far would not have been picked up a
full-blown mock lab. What I do is find my way to the appropriate area of
the DocCD before beginning any technology/protocol-specific section of the
workbook. I do a full read before getting started. Thus, sometimes a few
dozen pages of the workbook takes me a day or more to get through, as I
might be reading two or three (or more) pages of text on the DocCD for every
page of lab stuff in the workbook. I think this way I learn more about the
protocols than I otherwise would and, as a bonus, I learn my way around the
DocCD pretty well too. Given how poor my memory is, I have a feeling
knowing my way around that is going to be important to earning the number...
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: Guyler, Rik; cristian.ionescu@omnilogic.ro; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: ..going to brussels....failed
*Sometimes* this is the end result of doing too many Mock labs, have you
ever asked yourself what is it that you learned when you completed a given
mock lab? I bet what you learned was mostly what you should do if and when
you are in that specific situation.
I honestly believe that before doing bunch of mock labs, you need to do
unbelievable number of protocol specific labs, that way you will see and
learn the behavior of each protocol individually and not in a set topology
or scenario. Once you have done bunch of protocol specific labs, then you
should spend time on the mock labs. This way you will enjoy and learn few
tricks in the mock lab and appreciate what the author was trying to do. You
can almost guess the next step/s.
You need to learn and NOT memorize, you need to know and you need to know
most if not all of the possible ways that a given task can be accomplished,
you need to know the theory behind each protocol, the little differences
between them and how each item in the theory translates into configuration
commands, its only then that you can make an educated guess as to what to do
or which way you should configure a given task.
After doing what I just recommended, don't you think you should be able to
make better decision as to which solution to use and why a given solution
should be cross eliminated?
Mock labs are great only after you have done lots of protocol specific labs.
Let's say today you need to practice BGP, with mock lab work book/s, you
need to go through 3 4 hours of configuration before you get to the BGP
section, and once you get there, you probably do three to five tasks and you
are done. This is why I always say that you need to do protocol specific
labs, because with a work book that takes apart each protocol individually,
if you wanted to do BGP, you would go to the BGP section and do 200 pages of
BGP labs and BGP labs ONLY.
Another issue with doing the mock labs and mock labs only is that your focus
is divided into the protocols and the topology, have a look at the
topologies in anyone's mock labs (Including mine), it's pretty complicated,
when that happens, your focus automatically gets divided into the protocol
and the topology, whereas, with protocol specific work books that are
written in a very simple topology, your focus is on the protocol and
protocol ONLY.
I do not want to start a war here and I honestly respect other instructor's
philosophy and knowledge so please don't misunderstand me.
Once again every vendor has their own opinion and philosophy and this is
mine.
DO YOUR PROTOCOL SPECIFIC WORK BOOKS BEFORE DOING THE MOCK LAB WORK BOOKS
and you will see the difference.
Its simply the BEST way to study.
On 9/21/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm using Scott's lab workbook v9.0 from IPExpert. It's an excellent
> product.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>
> To: "'Cristian Ionescu'" <cristian.ionescu@omnilogic.ro>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:32 PM
> Subject: RE: ..going to brussels....failed
>
>
> > Christian, your score report should give you some idea as to what
> > areas
> to
> > study a little more. As it's been said so many times, it sounds
> > like
> you
> > were right there on the edge of passing but maybe some of the
> requirements
> > or interpretations caught you up. If you received a 70 on the lab
> > then you did a lot of things right so technically you may be where
> > you need to
> be.
> >
> > I know IE and IPExpert both have strategy lectures. Since you
> > mention
> IE,
> > why not see what Scott might have to help you over the hump?
> > Sometimes
> it
> > just takes a little different perspective...see things from a
> > different angle.
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Cristian Ionescu
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:18 AM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: ..going to brussels....failed
> >
> > Hy to all
> >
> > As i promise i came with some info.
> >
> > I was close in my opinion (70) and until now i do not know where i
> > was wrong. Maybe i did not do it in "cisco way".
> > For example in IPV6 i've used link-local address put it manually by
> > me....(it is more easy in routing protocols)...
> >
> > I finish one hour earlier and have time to recheck twice and reload
> > everything. After the reload BGP was perfect so....everything was ok.
> > I am very upset because it was an easy scenario......compare to IEWB
> > it was nothing.....
> > i now that i can't say something about it.....officially....but
> > believe
> my
> > it was a difficulty of 3 !!!!!
> >
> > .....dame it.....i should get it....
> >
> >
> > Now everybody tries to encourage me to go further but i am a little
> > confuse...i want to get a new date until December but it is
> > difficult. I do not know if i will get such an easy scenario.
> > I do not know what to re-read, re-do....etc...
> >
> > I will keep watch this forum....it is a good source of info for me..
> >
> > Cristian
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