From: Swan, Jay (jswan@sugf.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 2007 - 19:01:44 ART
I totally agree. I think I only did a total of 8 mock labs (4 from NMC,
3 in Scott Morris's live bootcamp, and 1 Cisco Assessor), and I passed
on my first attempt.
However, I had YEARS of doing my own protocol specific labs while
building up to this.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: Guyler, Rik; cristian.ionescu@omnilogic.ro; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: ..going to brussels....failed
*Sometimes* this is the end result of doing too many Mock labs, have you
ever asked yourself what is it that you learned when you completed a
given
mock lab? I bet what you learned was mostly what you should do if and
when
you are in that specific situation.
I honestly believe that before doing bunch of mock labs, you need to do
unbelievable number of protocol specific labs, that way you will see and
learn the behavior of each protocol individually and not in a set
topology
or scenario. Once you have done bunch of protocol specific labs, then
you
should spend time on the mock labs. This way you will enjoy and learn
few
tricks in the mock lab and appreciate what the author was trying to do.
You
can almost guess the next step/s.
You need to learn and NOT memorize, you need to know and you need to
know
most if not all of the possible ways that a given task can be
accomplished,
you need to know the theory behind each protocol, the little differences
between them and how each item in the theory translates into
configuration
commands, its only then that you can make an educated guess as to what
to do
or which way you should configure a given task.
After doing what I just recommended, don't you think you should be able
to
make better decision as to which solution to use and why a given
solution
should be cross eliminated?
Mock labs are great only after you have done lots of protocol specific
labs.
Let's say today you need to practice BGP, with mock lab work book/s, you
need to go through 3 4 hours of configuration before you get to the
BGP
section, and once you get there, you probably do three to five tasks and
you
are done. This is why I always say that you need to do protocol specific
labs, because with a work book that takes apart each protocol
individually,
if you wanted to do BGP, you would go to the BGP section and do 200
pages of
BGP labs and BGP labs ONLY.
Another issue with doing the mock labs and mock labs only is that your
focus
is divided into the protocols and the topology, have a look at the
topologies in anyone's mock labs (Including mine), it's pretty
complicated,
when that happens, your focus automatically gets divided into the
protocol
and the topology, whereas, with protocol specific work books that are
written in a very simple topology, your focus is on the protocol and
protocol ONLY.
I do not want to start a war here and I honestly respect other
instructor's
philosophy and knowledge so please don't misunderstand me.
Once again every vendor has their own opinion and philosophy and this is
mine.
DO YOUR PROTOCOL SPECIFIC WORK BOOKS BEFORE DOING THE MOCK LAB WORK
BOOKS
and you will see the difference.
Its simply the BEST way to study.
On 9/21/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm using Scott's lab workbook v9.0 from IPExpert. It's an excellent
> product.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>
> To: "'Cristian Ionescu'" <cristian.ionescu@omnilogic.ro>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:32 PM
> Subject: RE: ..going to brussels....failed
>
>
> > Christian, your score report should give you some idea as to what
areas
> to
> > study a little more. As it's been said so many times, it sounds
like
> you
> > were right there on the edge of passing but maybe some of the
> requirements
> > or interpretations caught you up. If you received a 70 on the lab
then
> > you
> > did a lot of things right so technically you may be where you need
to
> be.
> >
> > I know IE and IPExpert both have strategy lectures. Since you
mention
> IE,
> > why not see what Scott might have to help you over the hump?
Sometimes
> it
> > just takes a little different perspective...see things from a
different
> > angle.
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Cristian Ionescu
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:18 AM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: ..going to brussels....failed
> >
> > Hy to all
> >
> > As i promise i came with some info.
> >
> > I was close in my opinion (70) and until now i do not know where i
was
> > wrong. Maybe i did not do it in "cisco way".
> > For example in IPV6 i've used link-local address put it manually by
> > me....(it is more easy in routing protocols)...
> >
> > I finish one hour earlier and have time to recheck twice and reload
> > everything. After the reload BGP was perfect so....everything was
ok.
> > I am very upset because it was an easy scenario......compare to IEWB
it
> > was
> > nothing.....
> > i now that i can't say something about it.....officially....but
believe
> my
> > it was a difficulty of 3 !!!!!
> >
> > .....dame it.....i should get it....
> >
> >
> > Now everybody tries to encourage me to go further but i am a little
> > confuse...i want to get a new date until December but it is
difficult. I
> > do
> > not know if i will get such an easy scenario.
> > I do not know what to re-read, re-do....etc...
> >
> > I will keep watch this forum....it is a good source of info for me..
> >
> > Cristian
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