From: peter morgan (cciemaha@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 2007 - 11:42:55 ART
Hi Joseph,
Thanks for the advice!
I know that many of my clients also
reading GS. GS is very famous among many of candidates & CCIEs.
Currently, I
am just doing my studies & till now I have not worried about pay raise,
promotions and etc... I consider CCIE as another highly (May be the highest)
respectable exam in the field. I am in hunger with the knowledge & certifying
them. Pay raise & promotions are side effects of my process. Also the feeling
I was getting, after I have passed these types of exams is really cool. I want
to sense that coolness. My first priority is that. If I am getting happiness
with something; then I like to keep on doing it. Same thing applying to my
studies.
Let's see someone will recruit me for a good salary or fire me from
the current place. Anyway thats life; I have to be ready for anything.
Regards,
Indika (PM)
----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>;
smorris@ipexpert.com; Ajay Prakash <ajay.prakash@networkpeople.co.in>
Cc:
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:53:54 PM
Subject:
RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Peter;
A lot of people read this board
and the posts. I sent an email last week and
it came up with a client.
I
would seriously reconsider your tone and approach to dealing with Scott,
Brian
and the senior training partners in general.
Again Congratulations on
passing the CCIE. I'm sure you can use it to earn
the funds necessary to
purchase any possible materials necessary for future
studies at fair market
value.
Don't be surprised if someone, at some future date that is deciding
whether
or not to hire you, promote you, fire you, or retain you sees
EVERYTHING
posted here, and cached by GoogleStaffel.
-Joe
-----Original
Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of
peter morgan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:01 AM
To:
smorris@ipexpert.com; Ajay Prakash
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re:
Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Hi Scott,
Thanks again for the explanation!
It seems to be you have two
tongues. You have mentioned something in the GS
with your first email &
later
unicasted something else to me. It seems to be
you have two tongues. Anyway
now its cleared.
Also, I think odd bird is
under your pants; so go & find
it!!! Just kidding.
I am just focusing my
studies as you are careering
about your family. Lets forget about this mess &
help our GS members for
their studies. I need your advices even after this
crazy email exchange.
So
lets start new relationship.!!!
BRdgs,
PM
-----
Original Message
---- From: Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; Ajay Prakash <ajay.prakash@networkpeople.co.in> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:25:16 PM Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)What?!!?!? You're an odd bird Peter... When you sent that message about letting "down your courage" I replied to you personally in order to keep some of the fluff off of GS not to hide anything. My response (within an hour of your post accusing me of doing that) was "I wouldn't ever mean to let down your courage at all. Just trying to let others know that its not just about posting a message that gets someone free stuff." So if I've somehow offended you, I apologize, but that wasn't the intent by any stretch. *shrug*
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al. CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc. IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits! smorris@ipexpert.com
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 http://www.ipexpert.com
From: peter morgan [mailto:cciemaha@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:31 AM To: Ajay Prakash; smorris@ipexpert.com Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Hi Ajay,
I am really sorry about your mis-understanding. Scott tried to let down my courage by mentioning a background thing, here in GS. He has not apologized for it in GS. That is the reason, I have challenged him. I dont want to give him a chance to let down my courage. If Scoot like, then he can explain what he has mean.
Also I have not requested any free stuff for me; I am just trying to give it to others in GS by as by side of the challenge.
Anyway Scott has not accepted it.
BRdgs,
PM
----- Original Message ---- From: Ajay Prakash <ajay.prakash@networkpeople.co.in> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; smorris@ipexpert.com Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:13:44 AM Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Peter, if you have something against Scott or if you wish to challenge him or whatever, please take it offline. Groupstudy is not for challenging anyone and neither do we want any free stuff for anyone. You never get the value out of stuff that you get for free. What you did to Brian once (by posting in GS), you are doing the same to Scott now.. It looks like you want free Voice material from Scott in return as you got free R&S material from Brian.
I and all members of groupstudy respect Scott, Brians and Narbick for their valuable contribution here on groupstudy. I request you to keep all personal agenda away from here please.
Ajay
-----Original Message----- From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of peter morgan Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:25 AM To: smorris@ipexpert.com; Joseph Brunner; darth router Cc: ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Hi Scott,
I still havent booked a lab dateI was waiting for your response to find a LAB date.
But dont tell me that you have not taken the challenge because you are busy. I think, I am busy as you or Wayne. May be busier than you & him. Because we all have same limited time per day or week. So it is just a functional difference.
Also, based on my understanding you are working as a CCIE instructor, Content developer & Consultant. So you always have educational touch & playing with Cisco equipments. In addition to that keep in mind that you are Quadruple CCIE. Why dont you like to be a Penta CCIE?
One more important thing to highlight here; it may be valuable for others. With our Cisco voice implementations we are implementing best practices. But CCIE exam is not an implementation/configuration exam of best practices. It may or may not include best practices. Therefore even if you have worked in the field for 10 years then you may not have enough confidence to pass the LAB. If we need to pass the LAB without much hassle we have to directly target to the exam.
Scott, I know you are talented gentlemen; so please dont hide behind your boss (Wayne)! Come out & take my challenge . it may be good for your future!
I am really sorry that, if I am troubling you with this challenge; but try your best to accept it.
Rdgs,
PM
----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:02:21 AM Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
hehehhe... You make it sound so quaint and black & white. :)
Now, multi-millionaire or not, I'm sure you (or anyone) could agree that one person who works with voice stuff every single day may very well have an advantage over someone who doesn't, no matter how smart the other person is.... But that's ok.
I'm sure there are others out there who may be interested in taking your challenge, perhaps those underprepared but with more free time on their hands, or simply those who may have more recent hands-on/in-depth experience in order to compete with a "full-time Cisco Voice engineer".
There are ways to get products without investing money, but it typically involves some value-add proposition for both sides. Other than bragging rights, and just personal challenge, I have no need to get my Voice CCIE (it's pissed me off enough ruining my average!) but I'm sure you can find others up to your challenge with a more vested interest, or business necessity to get their CCIE. Generally, relationships start at the proper point in any business and progress from there. I'm thinking that targeting the CEO of any company, unless that person is more directly involved in the CCIE stuff, would not be the best place to start unless there was some win-win that could be had. So Darth, if your (or anyone else's) target is finding a way to work for products then we can always work on coming up with something of value.
So Peter, when's your lab date?
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al. CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc. IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits! smorris@ipexpert.com
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 http://www.ipexpert.com
From: peter morgan [mailto:cciemaha@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:24 PM To: Joseph Brunner; smorris@ipexpert.com; darth router Cc: ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Hi Guys,
This is to inform you that; Scott is not in a position to accept my challenge since his boss (Wayne Lawson President-IPExpert Inc. ) contacted me & updated me that, he has not authorized to use his products (IPExpert) for this challenge. Also he confirmed that, Scott is not a Multi-Millionaire. I read little bit about Wayne & his activities. I found following URL from google. http://www.ipexpert.com/?event=staff&staffid=8769
Then I was thinking to challenge him rather than challenging Scott since he has the CCIE & he has the power to give us the free access. But he is a big shot & may be busy gentlemen with his business.
So guys, you will not be able to get free access for IPExpert products. If this goes fine then I would have win it; because I am a full-time Cisco Voice engineer.
Darth, it may be better if you write to Wayne rather than troubling Scott. Because Wayne may be the correct gentlemen, who has the power to give a free copy of their SP WB. Finally, I have to forget about the challenge & start my studies alone. I will update you time to time with my Voice studies. But I guess there is a different GS group for Voice. Lets check it outI hope, I can get my Voice baby in less than four (4) attempts....
Regards,
PM
----- Original Message ---- From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; smorris@ipexpert.com; darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:51:38 AM Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Whoa!
Scott probably actually a multi-millionaire, given the lab that requires a permit from his local power plant to drain that much power... But he is not the richest CCIE. That is Tom Cruise, the actor, and number 3 ranking member of Scientology. He is worth approx $800M USD and he is a CCIE, or so I heard... for real... I heard he chose it as one of his challenges to reach OT VII. -----Original Message----- From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of peter morgan Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:07 PM To: smorris@ipexpert.com; darth router Cc: ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Hi Scott,
I know you are a multi millionaire & one of Quadruple CCIEs. And I am a small fish who has got the number in my fourth attempt. Here is my challenge; You dont have voice in your bunch of sticks. I am starting voice from today onwards. If I get my Voice before you get it then you have to give free access to all of your products (IPExpert), to ten (10) of our GS members. If you get the Voice before I get it then I will buy your Voice product (Considering I am a poor guy & you are a multimillionaire).
Do you accept my challenge?
If you accept it then both us will get benefits by completing Voice & hopefully ten (10) of our GS members..
Have a nice week end,
PM ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:01:14 PM Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807) Isn't there a special "because you hang out with us" discount? :) There are monthly specials and different discounts offered all the time, but as a general rule the sales folks set those rules. Remember, it can never hurt to ask for something like that. The worst they can do is laugh at you! ;)
On a side note, congratulations Peter!
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al. CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc. IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits! smorris@ipexpert.com
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message----- From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of peter morgan Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:09 AM To: darth router Cc: ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
No Man! It is a joke...
Brian, Scott think about to give free access or better discounts to all of GS members (including DR & me) May be your gentlemen will have close IE & IPexpert becuase most of CCIE candidates are GS members.
I think Brain already given it to me. So I may be out of selection...I am waiting till IE voice products release....
PM
----- Original Message ---- From: darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:57:48 PM Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
LOL!
On 9/14/07, peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks Darth!
You r a real naughty boy!
You r always looking at the back side of girls!
Brian, Scott don"t give him anything free; because he is a naughty boy (Not like me)!
Peter
----- Original Message ---- From: darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> To: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com > Cc: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:16:39 PM Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807) Grats man on the CCIE man!
So all we gotta do for free stuff is complain! Brian, I could use some free stuff! I will gladly complain!. Scott Morris, could you please get on this bandwagon as well? I would like your service provider workbook! :)
DR
On 9/14/07, ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com> wrote: Congratulation !! Nice post. IE is great vendor, no doubt!!
On 9/14/07, peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I was able to catch my fish in 10th September 2007. Got my green > number (18807) in my 4th attempt. I have never given up & keep on doing > the > exam. Here is my small story. It is like a fairy tail. > > I have passed my > first R&S Written in May 2004. Then it has expired after 18 months without > taking an attempt. Then I got a free Cisco partner voucher from my office > & > used it to get my written back in Feb 2006. I was keeping on study from > there > onwards & I was able to take few months of continuous leave from my office > for > the exam. But I was not in confidence to sit for the exam in 2006. I came > to > another country for a new job. I got lots of free time after I changed my > job > & then started to study in a schedule. > > Finally I have decided to take & LAB > attempt in April 2007. It was a disaster for me. Also I was not able reach > the > LAB location in the correct time because the CAB driver was not able to > find > the place & he lost the way. I lost around 50mins in my first attempt. I > have > taken another attempt in May 2007 thinking that I failed because of short > of > time. > > For my 2nd attempt I have booked a hotel very close (Walking > Distance) to the LAB location. I went the LAB before 30mins earlier. But > it > was another disaster. Then I realized that I am lack of knowledge. Then I > have > stared to re-read many of books & bought one of famous vendors work book. > Previously I have been using their old work books which has download from > a > free site. Then after few months I went back to the LAB. > > My 3rd attempt > scheduled in Aug 2007. I booked same hotel & went early to the place. I > was > able to understand many of questions & was able to answer properly. But I > sucked in few occasions because of my mistakes & taken time to recover > from > them. After the LAB I got the same result (Failed). > > Then I came back & > written down all of my mistakes. I was able to identify my main weakness > as > the lack of hands on practice & not the knowledge. So I have decided to > buy > rack sessions from IE & I have booked racks in every day & week ends > double or > triple rack sessions. I have studied with less number of sleeping hours > (4-5 > hours per day). Also I got another schedule for the LAB on 10th September > 2007. So I have studied very hardly without even taking proper sleep. I > think > your guys can remember one of my previous posts of IE rack support issue > . I > was not able to find the place to get support at that time from IE. But > Brian > & his great IE staff guided me & cleared my issue. Then next day morning I > have realized that I have addressed the case not nicely & apologize from > Brian. Because I was in different mind set when I was doing my practice > labs. > Then Brian sent me & email with telling that he has decided to stop > posting to > GS because of the > threats of people like me. I got really upset because I knew that there > are > many candidates in GS like me who are expecting support from people like > Brian, Scott & other senior CCIEs. So I begged him & apologize from him > with > many emails. Finally he accepted my apology. By the time Brian asked me to > provide details of the products which I have bought from IE. Because he > was > thinking to provide more support via his sales team. Actually I haven t > bought > any of products from IE & I was using one of my friend s old IE materials. > But > anyway I was thinking to buy their COD within few days because many people > recommended it. Then I have sent few package selections which I am > expecting > to buy from IE, expecting a good discount. But in a nice morning I checked > my > mail box & found an email from Brian. He has given access to IE WB VOL I, > VOL > II, VOL III, and Advanced Technology COD & also Online Boot Camp. Brian > has > gone ahead & given me the access to above > materials free of charge. Also he has doubled my rack sessions by his > sales > team. Also he asked me that, if I want more products then to update him. I > was > not able to believe this & get upset about what I have done by sending > email > to GS complaining their rack support. I told Brian that I will do > anything to > recover the damage which I was trying to do by posting it un-necessarily > to GS > (They have great/quick support option in IE member area named as ticketing > system. I was not aware about the option previously. They provide support > within few minutes when you get an error). But Brian just wanted to pass > the > exam with his gift. He never expected anything from me. I was really upset > about what was happened & thinking about Brian s good heart. So, Brian > requested only my pass of exam. I have decided to pass my exam anyhow in > 10th > September 2007. I worked very hardly & never slept some days. I used Brian > s > gift-rack sessions, COD materials, etc .I > have scheduled many racks (Actually I have scheduled one in the LAB day > morning as well). So I was doing my rack practice & study without > considering > about any other thing. I haven t called to my friends, family members & > forgot > many my personal life activities. But I went to office in every week day > as > usual. When I got a free time then I started to listen to IE COD. Finally > I > got sick because of the lack of sleep. I got a dynamic toothache (Changing > from one place to another place day by day) & a painful skin rash. I haven > t > gone to meet a doctor (I have free health insurance from company). I used > detol for the tooth ache & decided to take medicine after the exam. I have > kept on study forgetting about the pain. > > The day was 9th September 2007, I > have traveled to Dubai. Stay in the same hotel (Tulip Inn- Knowledge > Village). > I have entered the hotel 11.00PM in the night. Slept till 5.00AM in the > next > day (Lab Day) morning. After a wash I I have practiced 30 minutes with my > scheduled IE rack. Then I walked to the Cisco Building; Went to 3rd floor > as > usual. I was the first one came to the place. So three of other candidates > were there later. One of Indian girl, also among the candidates. Procter > (Yosuf) called us to come in to the LAB 5 minutes earlier. He explained > the > next schedule. One candidate came in to the LAB 30 mins later because his > driver taken him a ride. I have started the LAB as I planned earlier. Read > all > the LAB book & drawn few diagrams. It has taken 30 mins for me. Suddenly I > got > something like de-hydration in the LAB & I drunken water in many times. > Also > went toilet many times. (May be side effects of my previous hard study). > Procter called for the lunch; I was just in my schedule. So we had good > lunch > with procter s advice. Yosuf (Dubai Procter) is really nice gentlemen. > Because > four of my attempts I have seen him handling candidates nicely. > > So, after > the lunch I have scored many points with fast typing. As I planned final > hour > used for the testing. I used Brian s score sheet method. Based on Brian s > score sheet my score was 96. May be 100 because I have not revised my > answers > when I come back. I knew that I have 16 marks buffer. > > After the exam I went > to Dubai City centre & bought few items. I was stuck there in the long > taxi > queue. Finally I was able catch my flight & came back. I have logged into > the > site & found that my number & pass. I was not able sleep & next day went > to > office as usual. I sent my first email to Brian but he has not replied > yet. > May be he has not received my email or he has blocked me because of so > many > emails sent by me. > > So guys my advice is work hard & gets it with your > effort. Don t wait till your number comes to you. Just work hard & get it. > I > have taken four attempts & I got four different LABS. So it has not > repeated > to me. So don t expect it. Some people saying that it has happened to > them; > but it may be very rare case. One person asked same question from Procter > & he > told that there are many LABs. But sometimes they may repeat. > > I can only > recommend IE materials & Racks because I have passed with them & Brian s > good > hart. I have no words to thank Brian & IE. Thanks a million tims ..to > Brian & > IE. > > Believe me Brian is a really good hatred man!!!!!!!!!! He is a really > sensitive person. Brian my hat s off to you for nice preparing material & > support! > > Note: Guys, don t post any un-necessary emails to GS or Brian by > following me to get free IE products. I still feel bad about what I have > done > even after I got my number. Actually I was in another mentality & > different > world when I am posting that complain to GS. ( I can say that was not me > that > was my dark side of the mind). Sorry guys! > > Finally I must thank to GS; > without GS I will never get anything for this year. > > Thanks to all the GS > members for the being here. I learnt a lot from your discussions. > > Bye for > now, > > PM > CCIE # 18807 > >
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