From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 16 2007 - 22:14:33 ART
Joe,
great stuff, and I hate working for THE MAN btw. I am not working right now,
and have infinite down time. I am just trying to find something to fill my
time so when I do get back to work, everything will be lined up for me. I
have worked on a few credit union networks with cisco voip, and yea, its far
superior to anything else in my opinion. The last job I worked for was an
Avaya reseller, and they were well, just a bunch of bumbling idiots that new
nothing about IP, which is where everything is going. They did install IP
solutions, they just didnt have a clue about networking other than the fact
they needed to slap IP addresses on
devices. Last I heard, cisco has sold more VOIP phones than Avaya,
that pretty much makes them top dog.
I just figured another IE might help me. Maybe I just need to study the
topics in each track that I want. I am working pin PIX/ASA, IPS right now,
but badly want to delve into MPLS. I really enjoy BGP, OSPF, etc.. so figure
that the SP might be my ticket into some huge networks. I dont know what the
heck to do with myself :P
DR
On 9/16/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Don't worry about voice too much. Cisco's voice product will always be a
> red-headed step child in the marketplace, even though I think it's the
> best.
>
> Many large companies will not and can not put all their eggs in one
> basket.
> They will simply not use Cisco Voip and Cisco network hardware exclusively
> in their network. If you walk into the big financial players you will see
> Nortel/Avaya/Lucent. I know many large retail banks do use Cisco Voip,
> interesting.... I hope many more companies adopt Cisco's product. It a
> value
> in TCO and other metrics.
>
> So if you "do what you like" and learn voice, consider learning those
> platforms also. Don't trash the Cisco product. I have worked with both,
> and
> I have seen the very very best Nortel has to offer in product, service and
> support.
>
> I can tell you nortel's solution for voip is FAR FAR inferior to Cisco's.
> Their "architect" level engineers who bill out at $250+ per hour have no
> clue how to do a trace file equivalent as I explained how to do with Call
> manager. To troubleshoot a one-way speech issue they were lost, and wasted
> my client's time and money. These guys just have no strong networking
> knowledge behind them and don't consider the effects of networking on a
> network based solution. Qos, a-sym routing, speed/duplex, I had to keep
> pitching all this stuff to them underhand, something they should consider
> in
> a large deployment... sad, huh? Doing VOIP the Cisco way probably at least
> helps you in the long run consider these things...
>
> As far as putting money in your pocket, you need to stop looking at
> networking/IT as a job and start looking at it like a business. Every
> moment
> of your time is valuable. I'm stopping my studies right now to answer your
> post, in hopes you change your mind as well. There is value in that.
>
> If you just do the things your "boss" wants you to, accept raises,
> bonuses,
> and promotions on his time table, then stop reading. Good luck.
>
> Sooner or later you'll step up and see that we only have one boss we ever
> have to listen to. Whether you a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, Buddist, or
> any
> other religion, or whether you don't believe in God at all, you must learn
> that no man on earth may hold dominion over you; for you are not a beast
> of
> burden, but a person.
>
> You must do what is best for you and your family.
>
> I implore you to consider all options, but seriously research what it
> would
> take for you to start and cultivate your own successful business, built
> around your expert level knowledge of networking. Many have stated
> security
> will always be a constant focus in IT business plans and if you like it
> pursue it. Be careful of adopting the SP track, unless your company wants
> to
> sell that managed service to a service provider. Again, think
> independently,
> you'll be surprised how nice it is.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of
> darth router
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:00 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Increase my value, which CCIE to do next
>
> Ok guys,
>
> I have asked this question before, and I keep getting these weenie "Do
> what
> you like" answers. Well I like it all! So, which one of these CCIEs is
> gonna
> open up more $$$$$$ opportunity for me. The CCIE SP, or Security. Maybe I
> ought to just cave in and do Voice (yuck), as that obviously has the most
> demand. I just dont dig working on crappy products (CCM on servers), and
> listening to end users whine about their phones is well, just TERRIBLE.
> Help
> me out here, industry experts.
>
> DR
>
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