From: Muhammad Nasim (muhammad.nasim@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 2007 - 17:58:17 ART
Good Thread related to the Service Provider vs Enterprise but Rent came int
between : )
What about a CCIE is working for Ericsson , Nokia Siemens , Alcatel and
other big Solutions provider who provide Solutions to GSM Companies and
others. The cisco and Juniper stuff is surely there in the Network Plane
part of the deployments such as ISMS and DSL over GSM and others
I think that Ericsson, Nokia and these can provide more salaries and
benefits to as compare other Cisco Resller?
Any input on this will be welcome as I am thinking to target these Ericsson
and Nokia kind of service providers.
On 9/14/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Or because it just 'works' and there isn't stuff to be done on a daily
> basis? Or it's easier for them to bring in consultants as needed for
> projects/fixes without needing the overhead of a fulltime person because
> they have noone qualified enough to decide if the people trying to be
> hired
> are qualified? :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:52 AM
> To: 'Gary Duncanson'
> Cc: 'Marc La Porte'; 'darth router'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
>
> I used to think this way Gary...
>
> But here is my problem. Companies pay big $$$ for software. Because
> software
> is visible, it's on the desktop, and it's not "back in the closet" where
> no
> one sees it. It's not the salary I'm concerned with. It's the respect and
> attention of the business. They need to understand that their network is
> even MORE critical than their applications. Their applications won't work
> at
> all without a well built, well functioning, well managed network.
>
> I consulted at a $65 Billion dollar hedge-fund management firm on Park
> Ave.
> They have NO full time network anything, (not even a ccna). They are a
> global firm, whose business day (and network) never stops. They have
> plenty
> of PM's, software developers, Q&A people, etc.
>
> Why doesn't this kind of company have a network staff, despite having a
> large Cisco based network with 6500's etc...
>
> Because they don't understand or care about networking. "Its just there".
>
> We parted ways.
>
> The only way you can see how much you are respected is by how much you are
> paid. It's sad it has come to this. How can you feel good about working
> somewhere you and what you do are not valued by the organization?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:44 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Marc La Porte; darth router; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
>
>
> I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Many companies simply don't want to pay
> the
>
> six figures a good number of us earn and some of them still make good
> hires.
>
> To that I will add that you will find a good number of VERY capable people
> working on wages you would turn your nose up at. When it comes to salaries
> personal circumstances as well as location often come into play as does
> the
> size of the company sometimes.
>
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Marc La Porte'" <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>
> Cc: "'darth router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
>
>
> > Then they aren't serious. If you pay $80k you get $80k's worth of senior
> > network guy. As a consultant I go to a new company almost every month,
> so
> > I
> > see it all. The people I find making around that much, have left the
> place
> > in such shambles and know so little, well the management brings in
> me....
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Marc
> > La Porte
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:29 AM
> > To: Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: darth router; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
> >
> > Would you considering Amsterdam a major city?
> > If I say 60k (euro) / 80k ($) then most employers will laugh at me
> >
> > Marc
> > CCNP/CCDP/CCIP/CCSP
> > CCIE R&S Candidate
> > 9 years of experience in support, design, consultancy and sales
> >
> >
> > On 9/14/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Where are you located? 100k? We have help desk staff that make that!
> >>
> >> Are you kidding? The CCIE is worth about 170k plus 30% bonus...
> >>
> >> Move to a major city (NYC, LONDON, BERLIN)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> darth router
> >> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:31 AM
> >> To: Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
> >>
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I have worked at a small ISP (about 20k customers). I was not payed all
> >> that
> >> well. Now I have a CCIE, and am wondering do the service provider jobs
> >> pay
> >> vs the Enterprise jobs? I would love to get around 100k, and not have
> to
> >> travel. It seems that the majory of CCIE jobs I see on the various jobs
> >> sites all pay around 100k, some more some a little less. The CCIE gets
> >> you
> >> treated pretty well if you work for a cisco reseller. Can anyone tell
> me
> >> the
> >> pros and cons to working for a service provider with a CCIE? Are there
> >> still
> >> a lot of service providers that even want CCIEs? from the very limited
> >> view
> >> I have on service providers it seems like many are moving away from
> cisco
> >> gear in favor of other vendors. I would love some advice here. I just
> got
> >> my
> >> CCIE and I feel like I am just starting to finally get somewhere in my
> >> career. I want my next job to the the right job, and a job I want to
> >> stick
> >> with for some years.
> >>
> >>
> >> DR
> >>
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-- Muhammad Nasim Network Engineer Saudi Arabia
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