From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Wed Sep 05 2007 - 23:57:22 ART
I think that MS has simply realized that the MCSE only equates to a piece of
paper that doesn't really help anyone determine which candidate sucks worse
than the other one. The MCA is fairly rigorous, and more power to them. I
only know of a couple people who have passed this cert and they've been
around for eons, so it didn't surprise me at all.
What's it mean to a CCIE? Nothing. Can we up the ante for the CCIE
program. Sure, if they felt like it. But no matter what you do, it simply
boils down to whether you can really "do" it or not. Talking about it, or
selecting the right answer (or kinda-sorta-the-best-rightish answer) from a
multiple choice exam doesn't exactly equate to an experienced individual.
As people have noted before, neither does a CCIE lab. There are many real
world issues to properly run a network that a CCIE candidate simply doesn't
have to deal with. Probably a good thing anyway, it's a long enough eight
hours! :)
But that leaves room for improvement and/or enhancement. Stick around long
enough and things will change.
But I still wouldn't fear an MCA. I'd have 'em around in a heartbeat to
design and implement a huge active directory and/or exchange network. But
at the same time if they decided they wanted to try their hat at large scale
OSPF design or voice implementations I'd have to hurt them.
I don't think you're going to find all that many people with CCIE + MCA just
because there isn't enough time in a work week to delve into that many areas
of expertise! I suppose it's possible, but there's plenty of space for both
to exist without worrying about which one is cooler than the other!
If everyone worried about themselves and enhancing their own personal level
of experience, we wouldn't have to worry about anything! :)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: CCIE vs MCA
Sure you could call them apples and oranges, (or even cauliflowers and
cantaloupes), but if you think failing the CCIE lab a few times is harsh.
Check out Microsoft's MCA requirements.
MCA : infrastructure
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/archprocess/default.mspx
MCA : messaging architect
Candidates for the program must meet rigorous prerequisites. This ensures
that individuals who have been accepted already possess many of the unique
skills that are necessary to be effective. Years of experience working with
Exchange are required, in addition to passing a lab-based entrance exam.
During the rigorous training (four weeks, six days a week, 12 hours a day),
several other tests are administered.
If two of these tests are not passed, candidates are prohibited from taking
the final qualification exam-they will not become Certified Messaging
Architects.
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/messaging/default.mspx
I first thought this was an april fool's type joke. but it's real. Microsoft
is making up for years of being a joke with their MCSE who can't set up a
dhcp scope, etc.
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