From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Sep 05 2007 - 22:44:30 ART
And at $10,000.00 or so for the opportunity to get the
rubber stamp - many are pre-disqualified.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty Microsft-ishly
certified so I have not yet ruled it out and I'm sure
many of us with the MS Alphabet soup with specialties
have not, but the ROI has not been demonstrated yet.
Anyone know anyone who does have it yet? Just MVPs?
--- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> I still think the CCIE will prove to be much harder
> to obtain from a
> learning perspective. The MCA (so far as I can see)
> is kind of a rubber
> stamp for those with MS architect experience who up
> to now have had no cert
> to validate it.
>
> I wonder how MS centric it will be? In the world of
> infrastructure
> architecture it does not pay to be too locked in to
> any one vendor. The
> network consultant I worked with in 1999 viewed MS
> products as individually
> inferior to alternatives, but in the setting of our
> shop, MS used
> collectively was better than using different things.
> He didn't do the MCSE
> because it wasn't 'real world' and tested you on
> pants features like
> software RAID.
>
> Had the MCA been around back then, I think he would
> have passed it up anyway
> as he wouldn't have had the time to do it.
>
> Many people who have the MCSE have gone on to do the
> kind of thing the MCA
> program is supposed to accredit for a number of
> years now. The hardest part
> may be selling yourself into the program.
>
> It will be interesting to see some feedback from MCA
> candidates. I looked
> into this myself earlier in the year but I
> understand no more applications
> are being accepted at present.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:28 PM
> Subject: CCIE vs MCA
>
>
> > Sure you could call them apples and oranges, (or
> even cauliflowers and
> > cantaloupes), but if you think failing the CCIE
> lab a few times is harsh.
> >
> >
> >
> > Check out Microsoft's MCA requirements.
> >
> >
> >
> > MCA : infrastructure
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/archprocess/default.mspx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > MCA : messaging architect
> >
> >
> >
> > Candidates for the program must meet rigorous
> prerequisites. This ensures
> > that individuals who have been accepted already
> possess many of the unique
> > skills that are necessary to be effective. Years
> of experience working
> > with
> > Exchange are required, in addition to passing a
> lab-based entrance exam.
> > During the rigorous training (four weeks, six days
> a week, 12 hours a
> > day),
> > several other tests are administered.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If two of these tests are not passed, candidates
> are prohibited from
> > taking
> > the final qualification exam-they will not become
> Certified Messaging
> > Architects.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/messaging/default.mspx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I first thought this was an april fool's type
> joke. but it's real.
> > Microsoft
> > is making up for years of being a joke with their
> MCSE who can't set up a
> > dhcp scope, etc.
> >
> >
>
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