From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2007 - 14:05:46 ART
Scott,
I will ask of you the same thing I asked of Joe:
Please be specific on what you can do w/ a stack of e-bay routers that
you cannot do in Dynamips *that matters in the lab.* I'm honestly
interested in hearing from people on that issue.
I agree that there is a time investment to get this set up. And a $$
investment in the real switches. But I have now have 24/7 access to a
full "rack" and I don't have to schedule anything with anybody. For
those of us who remove ourselves from the working world while we prepare
for the lab, this can actually be a cost savings (every day that goes by
is a day I can't bill any clients for my time, so the more intense I am
about this, the sooner I get back in the money).
Regards,
Scott
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
Date: Sat, September 01, 2007 5:48 am
To: "'darth router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>, "'Scott
Vermillion'"
<scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
And the self-handling have no risk of STD. ;)
Anyway, there are some subtle things that cannot be done on a
virtualized
devices. There is a LOT of time to be spent in order to get a full
system
setup and integrated with real switches in order to get the full
flavor of
actual equipment/lab.
However, it's a bit cheaper to go virtual! Either way, virtual stuff
isn't
a substitute for real equipment, but I don't think it would add up to
someone failing because they just did Dynamips. Unless of course,
they did
Dynampis exclusively on routers and virtualized ethernet connections
without
touching ANY switches. Then there would be a significant number of
points
lost and likely unable to recover enough to pass.
Worst case, do most of the L3 'n' up studies on Dynamips.... Go rent
some
rack time and concentrate on the L2/ethernet side of things. Problem
solved, money saved.
Ya know there's a holiday for your parenthetical analogy there....
Palm
Sunday. ;)
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
darth router
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:04 AM
To: Scott Vermillion
Cc: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
You guys are going it all wrong. You have to fight analogy with
analogy.
(Even if you arent a virgin, sometimes you would just rather whack
off) =
DYNAMIPS!
I had a full CCIE lab, sold it, recouped money, and dynamips is much
much
more efficient as far as building topologies and changing things.
bwahahahhaha!
On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> I'll take this a step further Joe (and maybe you have a good
answer, I
> don't presuppose with any degree of certainty, but I can suspect):
>
> Other than some of the text that flies by during the boot sequence,
if
> the Brians secretly redirected you to a rack where the routers were
> all Dynamips instances (excepting the ISR, which Dynagen does not
> emulate as of this time), how would you know they had done that,
> exactly? Would it be the "feel" perhaps? The "force" maybe?
>
> I'll tell you one way you might notice: I can boot a router
instance
> on this Mac Mini in a matter of a few seconds! I get "press return
to
> get started" in a very small fraction of the time I do when booting
a
> hardware router. Other than that and the aforementioned text thing,
> I'm not sure how you'd ever even know sitting from afar?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> From: Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 10:38 pm
> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab prep
> "rack"
> around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE lab
> because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real thing")?
> What
> is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go
"feel"
> the
> routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in that
> remote
> rack?)?
>
> This has the potential to become the next "CCIE vs. college degree"
> topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of bandwidth,
> come
> to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate on
> these
> seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you answer
> with
> "I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a
machine
> of
> sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the
former
> that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e. don't
> tell
> me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that in
the
> lab
> anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
>
> I'll start, going the opposite direction:
>
> I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower, and I
> can
> directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap file
and
> scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When I
> want
> to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no serial)
> and
> set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
> routers,
> with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and I'm
> obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test environment is
> different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm limited to
> only
> debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only debug
in
> the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to have
> such
> a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's
going
> on
> under the hood when you see certain debug output.
>
> BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files on
> physical
> routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of
such
> a
> capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
>
> There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them in
> other
> recent threads and posts...
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Dynagen folks...
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
> To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can
prepare
> you
> for the real thing.
>
> (Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
> virgin, LOL)
>
> Check out the Brian's racks!
>
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