From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2007 - 11:41:56 ART
oh come on! I'm a friendly guy, really!
> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:00:00 +0200
> From: ian.blaney@gmail.com
> To: jslauer@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
> CC: darklordrouter@gmail.com; scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Hey Josh
>
> I don't fancy sitting next to you on a long plane journey!!!
>
> Just like your hand. Always available. OOOeerrr Missus.
>
> Ian
>
> P.S (Sorry, couldn't resist that cheesy entry)
>
>
> On 9/1/07, josh lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I Totally agree with you Darth or is it Darth Spanker? (Sorry, couldn't
> > resist that cheesy entry)
> >
> > Dynamips is so convenient you can fit it on a laptop, so when your on a
> > plane or wherever you can configure routers..it's always available! Just
> > like your hand!
> >
> >
> > Josh
> > CCIE 16024
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "darth router" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> > To: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
> >
> > > You guys are going it all wrong. You have to fight analogy with
analogy.
> > >
> > > (Even if you arent a virgin, sometimes you would just rather whack off)
> > =
> > > DYNAMIPS!
> > >
> > > I had a full CCIE lab, sold it, recouped money, and dynamips is much
> > much
> > > more efficient as far as building topologies and changing things.
> > >
> > > bwahahahhaha!
> > >
> > > On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'll take this a step further Joe (and maybe you have a good answer, I
> > >> don't presuppose with any degree of certainty, but I can suspect):
> > >>
> > >> Other than some of the text that flies by during the boot sequence, if
> > >> the Brians secretly redirected you to a rack where the routers were
all
> > >> Dynamips instances (excepting the ISR, which Dynagen does not emulate
> > as
> > >> of this time), how would you know they had done that, exactly? Would
> > it
> > >> be the "feel" perhaps? The "force" maybe?
> > >>
> > >> I'll tell you one way you might notice: I can boot a router instance
> > on
> > >> this Mac Mini in a matter of a few seconds! I get "press return to
get
> > >> started" in a very small fraction of the time I do when booting a
> > >> hardware router. Other than that and the aforementioned text thing,
> > I'm
> > >> not sure how you'd ever even know sitting from afar?
> > >>
> > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > >> Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> > >> From: Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > >> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 10:38 pm
> > >> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >>
> > >> I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab prep
> > >> "rack"
> > >> around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE lab
> > >> because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real thing")?
> > >> What
> > >> is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go "feel"
> > >> the
> > >> routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in that
> > >> remote
> > >> rack?)?
> > >>
> > >> This has the potential to become the next "CCIE vs. college degree"
> > >> topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of bandwidth,
> > >> come
> > >> to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate on
> > >> these
> > >> seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you answer
> > >> with
> > >> "I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a
machine
> > >> of
> > >> sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the
former
> > >> that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e. don't
> > >> tell
> > >> me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that in the
> > >> lab
> > >> anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
> > >>
> > >> I'll start, going the opposite direction:
> > >>
> > >> I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower, and I
> > >> can
> > >> directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap file
and
> > >> scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When I
> > >> want
> > >> to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no serial)
> > >> and
> > >> set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
> > >> routers,
> > >> with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and I'm
> > >> obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test environment is
> > >> different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm limited to
> > >> only
> > >> debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only debug
in
> > >> the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to have
> > >> such
> > >> a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's
going
> > >> on
> > >> under the hood when you see certain debug output.
> > >>
> > >> BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files on
> > >> physical
> > >> routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of such
> > >> a
> > >> capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
> > >>
> > >> There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them in
> > >> other
> > >> recent threads and posts...
> > >>
> > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > >> Subject: Dynagen folks...
> > >> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > >> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
> > >> To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >>
> > >> Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can
prepare
> > >> you
> > >> for the real thing.
> > >>
> > >> (Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
> > >> virgin, LOL)
> > >>
> > >> Check out the Brian's racks!
> > >>
> > >> http://www.affirmedsystems.com/photos/IERACKS.JPG
> > >>
> > >> Rack12R6#sh vers
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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