From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Fri Aug 24 2007 - 20:17:28 ART
The Fairmont Hotel Downtown is a short lightrail trip away (15 minutes).
I'll be there a few days ahead of you I think, I scrawl NDA material on the
back of the Mahogany TV armoire (NOT!)
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brant I. Stevens
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:00 PM
To: Scott Vermillion; Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Craig Tompkins; Joseph Brunner; Andrew Shin; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
Larry Letterman (lletterm); Darby Weaver
Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles area
Am I the only one who thinks it is in rather poor taste to be talking about
one's income in such an open forum? Speaking of one's salary with others
within an organization, especially financials, can lead to dismissal should
management and/or HR be aware. With all the stories of people losing jobs
because of their Myspace activity, it just doesn't strike me as a very wise
thing to do.
Never mind that Google will archive these messages in perpetuity... Any
potential FUTURE employer can, and usually will, Google candidates.
-Brant
On 8/18/07 1:24 AM, "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> Ah, now it all makes sense! I think both Joe and I were looking at that
> "consultancy" bit and thinking ????? When I see that, I'm thinking raw
> rate paid for services rendered, and in that case, you have to look at
> all of the business overhead expenses that Joe initially mentioned. No
> way to think of doing that in a major metro area (esp expensive LA) for
> $45US/hr!
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles area
> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 7:14 pm
> To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "Craig Tompkins"
> <sidalo@gmail.com>, "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>,
> "Andrew Shin" <mr.dude@gmail.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com, "Larry
> Letterman (lletterm)" <lletterm@cisco.com>
>
> Joseph,
>
> Thanks for your kind worlds, but the range that i mentioned was not
> for me, this range is typical when you go through an agency, if you
> want to do it on your own, then the hourly rate changes drastically.
>
> I have been in this industry for the past 30 years and i have not
> worked for a firm for the last 12 + years, not that its bad, but i
> just have not.
>
> If you have your own consulting firm and you are not going through an
> agency, you could charge a lot more depending on the contract.
>
> But if some one just got their CCIE and they are consulting for an
> agency, and they have about 4 - 5 years of exper. they would probably
> make around 100K.
>
> Remember that the houses in LA are expensive, but not everyone lives
> in an expensive house, you guys are blessed to pay 400 b 500K for a
> house and get a 4 b 5 bedrooms, here in LA, with that money
> (Depending where you live) it should be a good down payment for a 3
> bed + 2 bath house or may be for a 2 bedroom condo.
>
> But remember that its great to leave LA, but it will very hard to
> come back.
>
> On 8/17/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Wow!!!
>
> Joseph, those are pretty strong words. Did it sound
> like the person was addressing you personally?
>
> I can think of plenty CCNP's who might like to take a
> position like that - it won't get one rich but man...
>
> That was a pretty decent sized flame.
>
> --- Narbik Kocharians < narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What do CCIEs with few years of exper. make?
>>
>> On 8/17/07, Scott Vermillion
>> <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No wonder so many California big city types have
>> been showing up here in
>>> CO!! With a CCNP/CCDP it's possible to earn a W2
>> hourly wage within the
>>> range you're talking about below (definitely
>> towards the lower end of that
>>> range, but within that range nonetheless)...
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles area
>>> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 3:51 pm
>>> To: "Larry Letterman (lletterm)"
>> <lletterm@cisco.com>
>>> Cc: "Craig Tompkins" <sidalo@gmail.com>, "Joseph
>> Brunner"
>>> < joe@affirmedsystems.com>, "Andrew Shin"
>> <mr.dude@gmail.com>,
>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>
>>> I live in LA and the hourly rate for a CCIE for a
>> long term contract is
>>> anywhere from 45 - 100 per hour. 100 per hour
>> requires lots of experiance.
>>>
>>> On 8/17/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm)
>>
> <lletterm**@cisco.com<
>
>
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>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Go check house prices in LA then..
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>
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>
>
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>>> On Behalf Of
>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:20 PM
>>>> To: Craig Tompkins
>>>> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Andrew Shin;
>>
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>>>> Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles
>> area
>>>>
>>>> This is NOT a bad pay for a NP or even a CCIE
>> that just starting with
>>>> very little exp.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/17/07, Craig Tompkins
>>
> <sidalo**@gmail.com<
>
>
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>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this hostility leftover from your 8th
>> attempt?
>>>>>
>>>>> The base pay yes is 50 x 2080 = 104,000 yearly
>> assuming no overtime.
>>>>> Yes you are right that after providing their
>> own insurance, that the
>>>>> position paying that amount on a contracting
>> basis in the LA area is a
>>>>
>>>>> little low. You could have pointed this out,
>> hile being a little more
>>>>
>>>>> respectful and professional.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Craig Tompkins
>>>>> CCIE #16921
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/17/07, Joseph Brunner
>>
>
>
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>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but $50 an hour is hardly $100k per
>> year... and from that you
>>>>> want
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -business liability insurance
>>>>>> -business errors & omissions insurance
>> (usually required to get the
>>>>> first)
>>>>>> -the employers 7.2% share of social security
>> (on the first $97,000)
>>>>>> -my own health insurance -contribute to my
>> own 401k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't say this lightly, but go $#ck
>> yourself. Do you think anyone
>>>>>> any good is going to do that job for about
>> $60k a year?
>>>>>> < BR>> > > > > -Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From:
>>
>
>
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>>> On Behalf
>>>>
>>>>>> Of Andrew Shin
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:36 PM
>>>>>> To:
>>
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>
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>>>>>> Subject: Contract Position in Los Angeles
>> area
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all, I'm forwarding this for a friend.
>> I'll also post this on
>>>>>> the
>>>>> job
>>>>>> board, but I'm not sure how many people
>> ch eck that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1+ year local contract (hourly consultancy
>> 50/hr range) in the Los
>>>>> Angeles
>>>>>> area (South Bay)
>>>>>> It's with a well established and well known
>> global company and has
>>>>>> the likelihood of extending for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>> Mid to Senior level NW Engineer who has
>> large corporate NW
>>>>>> engineering experience.
>>>>>> WAN/LAN, VOIP.
>>>>>> 7-10 years of NW Engineering experience
>> Experience working within an
>>>>
>>>>>> environment that is comprised of Unix,
>> Windows, and Mainframe (need
>>>>>> to have worked with all three environments)
>> Experience providing
>>>>>> proof of concept and presenting design and
>> recommendations to team
>>>>>> members and management.
>>>>>> Provide 3rd level support.
>>>>>> Experience with Cisco 2600-7200 routers and
>> Cisco 350 switches. E
>>>>>> Experience with Firewall, PIX, VPN 3000
>> Concentrator, ATM, and video
>>>>
>>>>>> conferencing.
>>>>>> Professional with good communication
>> abilities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please contact
>>
> matthew.chontos**@ispace.com<http://email.secur
>
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>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>> CCSI# 30832
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