From: ISolveSystems (support@isolvesystems.com)
Date: Tue Aug 21 2007 - 00:53:59 ART
You said that Dynamips is in its infancy. I am curious to know how old is
Dynamips? How do you see the continuing development of Dynamips to support
future IOS development?
Regards,
On 8/20/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> Gregory,
>
> Were a person to acquire the CCIE cert w/ nothing more than time on
> Dynamips, that person may indeed face a few embarrassing moments
> early on. So it should be outlawed and shunned by the CCIE-seeking
> community at large? I'd wager that 90% or better using Dynamips for
> CCIE study have sufficient experience w/ real HW to know which side
> the power switch is on.
>
> Do you think you'll normally have physical access to all of the
> routers on which you are expected to perform your work? If you
> require that to do your job, are you effective?
>
> Recall that this is real IOS -- not some training simulator. So the
> chassis, the power supply, the interface cards, etc. are lacking in
> your CCIE lab, where you are intensely focused on subtle protocol
> interplay. So? Can you even touch the HW during the CCIE practical
> exam?
>
> I have posted this as recently as a few hours ago on the professional
> board:
>
> "I have now been dealing with Dynamips since (roughly) Dec of last
> year. I generally trust it (yes, bugs now and then and even the
> occasional crash, but can IOS itself claim otherwise?) and actually
> prefer it over real hardware for a couple of reasons:
>
> 1. Recabling a HW lab takes longer than launching a new .net file. I
> keep every .net file I've ever created, along with all of the router
> NVRAM files, etc. Modifying one lab for another purpose gets easier
> and easier as your collection grows. Take good notes on why you
> created a given environment and your results. This becomes a highly
> valuable reference resource when you've grown a little fuzzy on some
> details of a prior battle.
>
> 2. The capture function of Dynagen is killer. Definitely beats debug
> output when you're really trying to understand what's going on under
> the hood. If you're proficient w/ Wireshark or any other PA that can
> open a .cap file, this is a "killer app" for sur e."
>
> Dynamips is nothing short of revolutionary for understanding,
> troubleshooting, prototyping, and generally poking and prodding
> network-related protocols. It has some limitations, yet in its
> infancy. Know those and live with them. And then leverage a tool
> that can only be bested by some seriously deep pockets...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
> -------- Original MessageGr --------
> Subject: Virtual CCIE's?
> From: "Gregory Gombas" <ggombas@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 6:19 pm
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> I was checking out Dynamips and its pretty cool and all, but it
> does
> worry me a little bit....
>
> How will employers view the CCIE certification after they've been
> burned by hiring a CCIE who has never touched a real router in
> their
> life?
>
> Do you like the idea of a pilot flying your plane whose only
> training
> was with a virtual flight simulator?
>
> I remember the days when the MCSE was a hot cert until an army of
> paper CCIE's hit the job market.
>
> Maybe they won't call it a paper CCIE, maybe they'll coin a new
> term
> like virtual CCIE.
>
> Just food for thought...
>
>
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