From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 20 2007 - 16:21:40 ART
Joe,
Good luck with your preparations and your next attempt. Abderrahim is
correct. If you have spun out of the lab eight times then something is awry.
I suggest you take some time out to really go over the areas that are giving
you trouble. Spend at least two months doing a lot of reading and labbing
smaller scale scenarios in Cisco Press books and CCO until you have things
down. You should know in yourself which topics you have not mastered.
Vendor books are useful resources but they are not designed to enable you to
master the technologies in isolation.
Perhaps if you approach some of the instructors offline they may be able to
give you some pointers on your weaker areas.
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Carr (Enventis)" <jcarr@enventis.com>
To: <a_sadki1@hotmail.com>; <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Failed Again
>I do agree with that you are saying and I plan to do a lot more focused
>learning in the topics I am not 100% solid on. The labs are just there to
>keep me in that type of test taking mode.
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1@hotmail.com>
> To: Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>; Joe Carr (Enventis)
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Mon Aug 20 10:46:09 2007
> Subject: RE: Failed Again
>
> well... I dont totally agree with that.
>
>
> Dont get me wrong im a huge fan of IE and even intend to use them for my
> CCIE sp, but I think the problem may not necessarily be in the workbooks.
>
> Maybe you need to check your understanding of the technologies and
> blueprint topics.
>
> I blame myself for my 2 failed attempts because i underestimated the exam
> and thought I could get away with going through the workbook without
> really having a deep knowledge behind.
>
> You can buy all the vendor's WB on the market, but without good
> understanding of the blueprint topics, I dont see the benefit of it.
>
> my 2 cents.
> Abderrahim
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:27:28 +0300
>> From: muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>> To: jcarr@enventis.com
>> Subject: Re: Failed Again
>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>
>> Go a head and buy Internworkexpert : )
>>
>> Hope this will helps: )
>>
>> On 8/20/07, Joe Carr (Enventis) <jcarr@enventis.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Well I think I figured out a way to pay for this lab again. I am going
>> > to take out a 401k loan to cover the cost of 2 more lab attempts and
>> > $1k
>> > in study material.
>> >
>> > I would like to buy another lab workbook and some rack time. What book
>> > should I get? I have used IPExpert and I have not been a huge fan of
>> > there stuff. I have also used NLI for the past few years along with
>> > Narbik's soup-to-nuts book and that was great but I would like to try
>> > something different (a new perspective).
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Joe Carr (Enventis)
>> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:50 AM
>> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: RE: Failed Again
>> >
>> > It's true that I have been working on this test since 2003.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would like to take the exam again and I know I am very close to
>> > passing but I just cannot afford it right now. If money was not the
>> > problem I would just head back every 30 days until I got my numbers. My
>> > work was paying for me to take it and this was the last one they were
>> > going to cover.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:35 AM
>> > To: Guyler, Rik
>> > Cc: Joe Carr (Enventis); ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: Failed Again
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe, just the fact that you finished three hours earlier and tested and
>> > went over your configuration should tell you that you were ready and
>> > you
>> > knew the stuff, you got out feeling good. I personally think that the
>> > reason you failed is because you misinterpreted the questions, you
>> > basically did them one way whereas, they wanted it done in another way.
>> >
>> > What you are NOT telling people is that you took few attempts and then
>> > got busy and just started again; I honestly would try till I get it.
>> > Some are not good test takers but they are excellent engineers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/17/07, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Joe...8 times? Man, I feel REALLY bad for you! I know you must be
>> > terribly disappointed but I can empathize with your decision. That's a
>> > lot of time and money and sacrifice to take the lab that many times. I
>> > applaud your determination to this point as I don't know if I could
>> > have
>> > continued on that long.
>> >
>> > Maybe this is just one of those "testing" things where somebody is an
>> > ace on a subject but just doesn't test well on it. I know some real
>> > "rain men"
>> > just like that. I have to think that even if you don't have the paper
>> > to show for your efforts that at least the work you put into studying
>> > has made you a much stronger Cisco engineer and networker in general.
>> >
>> > Anyway, maybe you'll change your mind after some of the disappointment
>> > has worn off. If so then hopefully you'll be back to the group. If not
>> > then we wish you well with whatever you decide to do. ;-)
>> >
>> > Rik
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> ] On Behalf Of Joe Carr (Enventis)
>> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:39 AM
>> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Failed Again
>> >
>> > I took my lab for the 8th time yesterday and I left feeling pretty good
>> > about my attempt but when the score report came out it was a fail.
>> > During the lab I was able to finish all configurations 3 hours early
>> > and
>> > then checked and double checked all the requirements. I thought I
>> > nailed
>> >
>> > Switching, IGP, and EGP but my scores were very low in the IGP section.
>> > The proctors at the location where I took my lab were not that very
>> > helpful.
>> > In fact one of them was downright terrible. I like to ask for
>> > clarification on all items I am unsure about and every time I went to
>> > this proctor to ask questions he would roll his eyes and let out a
>> > sigh.
>> > It was almost as if I was bothering him to ask questions! By the end of
>> > the day I would come to him with my two options to configure a certain
>> > task and he would just tell me that I could do it both ways and not
>> > loose points.
>> > Well I now believe that cost me at least a few points.
>> > Overall I am not happy with the CCIE track and I think I am going to
>> > throw in the towel because I can no longer afford to keep taking this
>> > exam and
>> >
>> > failing.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
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>> > --
>> >
>> > Narbik Kocharians
>> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> > CCSI# 30832
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>> Network Engineer
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