From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Aug 18 2007 - 19:01:22 ART
I did not see anyone stating their exact salary, but i think we should stop
being this ana....
On 8/18/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Makes no difference to me, I don't know about others. I ceased being a
> person and became a business in Jan 2006. I vowed to never work fulltime
> again!
>
> I am a cyberdyne series model 101 cisco engineer, with a C-Corp and an
> LLC,
> I read pdf's day and night, and bang out configs and debugs in routers. I
> work on a per-project or hourly basis for rich people who can care less
> about google other than the shares the bought at ipo which have increased
> 4
> to 6 fold.
>
> If my business fails I'm leaving the united states forever, for a beach in
> Costa Rica or Russia to be a pool boy, and work for Islamic gold dinars
> instead of fiat currency. I shredding my US identity and living the rest
> of
> my life as a ghost, a man with no country, allies, or ties to anything.
>
> Does that answer your question?
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brant I. Stevens
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:00 PM
> To: Scott Vermillion; Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Craig Tompkins; Joseph Brunner; Andrew Shin; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> Larry Letterman (lletterm); Darby Weaver
> Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles area
>
> Am I the only one who thinks it is in rather poor taste to be talking
> about
> one's income in such an open forum? Speaking of one's salary with others
> within an organization, especially financials, can lead to dismissal
> should
> management and/or HR be aware. With all the stories of people losing jobs
> because of their Myspace activity, it just doesn't strike me as a very
> wise
> thing to do.
>
> Never mind that Google will archive these messages in perpetuity... Any
> potential FUTURE employer can, and usually will, Google candidates.
>
> -Brant
>
>
> On 8/18/07 1:24 AM, "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah, now it all makes sense! I think both Joe and I were looking at that
> > "consultancy" bit and thinking ????? When I see that, I'm thinking raw
> > rate paid for services rendered, and in that case, you have to look at
> > all of the business overhead expenses that Joe initially mentioned. No
> > way to think of doing that in a major metro area (esp expensive LA) for
> > $45US/hr!
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles area
> > From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 7:14 pm
> > To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "Craig Tompkins"
> > <sidalo@gmail.com>, "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>,
> > "Andrew Shin" <mr.dude@gmail.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com, "Larry
> > Letterman (lletterm)" <lletterm@cisco.com>
> >
> > Joseph,
> >
> > Thanks for your kind worlds, but the range that i mentioned was not
> > for me, this range is typical when you go through an agency, if you
> > want to do it on your own, then the hourly rate changes drastically.
> >
> > I have been in this industry for the past 30 years and i have not
> > worked for a firm for the last 12 + years, not that its bad, but i
> > just have not.
> >
> > If you have your own consulting firm and you are not going through an
> > agency, you could charge a lot more depending on the contract.
> >
> > But if some one just got their CCIE and they are consulting for an
> > agency, and they have about 4 - 5 years of exper. they would probably
> > make around 100K.
> >
> > Remember that the houses in LA are expensive, but not everyone lives
> > in an expensive house, you guys are blessed to pay 400 b 500K for a
> > house and get a 4 b 5 bedrooms, here in LA, with that money
> > (Depending where you live) it should be a good down payment for a 3
> > bed + 2 bath house or may be for a 2 bedroom condo.
> >
> > But remember that its great to leave LA, but it will very hard to
> > come back.
> >
> > On 8/17/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wow!!!
> >
> > Joseph, those are pretty strong words. Did it sound
> > like the person was addressing you personally?
> >
> > I can think of plenty CCNP's who might like to take a
> > position like that - it won't get one rich but man...
> >
> > That was a pretty decent sized flame.
> >
> > --- Narbik Kocharians < narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What do CCIEs with few years of exper. make?
> >>
> >> On 8/17/07, Scott Vermillion
> >> <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No wonder so many California big city types have
> >> been showing up here in
> >>> CO!! With a CCNP/CCDP it's possible to earn a W2
> >> hourly wage within the
> >>> range you're talking about below (definitely
> >> towards the lower end of that
> >>> range, but within that range nonetheless)...
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles area
> >>> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Fri, August 17, 2007 3:51 pm
> >>> To: "Larry Letterman (lletterm)"
> >> <lletterm@cisco.com>
> >>> Cc: "Craig Tompkins" <sidalo@gmail.com>, "Joseph
> >> Brunner"
> >>> < joe@affirmedsystems.com>, "Andrew Shin"
> >> <mr.dude@gmail.com>,
> >>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>>
> >>> I live in LA and the hourly rate for a CCIE for a
> >> long term contract is
> >>> anywhere from 45 - 100 per hour. 100 per hour
> >> requires lots of experiance.
> >>>
> >>> On 8/17/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm)
> >>
> > <lletterm**@cisco.com<
> >
> >
>
> http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=replyall&folder=I
> NB
> > OX&uid=22#Compose>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Go check house prices in LA then..
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From:
> >>
> > nobody**@groupstudy.com<
> >
> >
>
> http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=replyall&folder=I
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> >>>
> >> ;
> > nobody**@groupstudy.com<
> >
> >
>
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> >>> On Behalf Of
> >>>> Narbik Kocharians
> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:20 PM
> >>>> To: Craig Tompkins
> >>>> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Andrew Shin;
> >>
> > ccielab**@groupstudy.com<
> >
> >
>
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> >>>> Subject: Re: Contract Position in Los Angeles
> >> area
> >>>>
> >>>> This is NOT a bad pay for a NP or even a CCIE
> >> that just starting with
> >>>> very little exp.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/17/07, Craig Tompkins
> >>
> > <sidalo**@gmail.com<
> >
> >
>
> http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=replyall&folder=I
> NB
> > OX&uid=22#Compose>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joe,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is this hostility leftover from your 8th
> >> attempt?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The base pay yes is 50 x 2080 = 104,000 yearly
> >> assuming no overtime.
> >>>>> Yes you are right that after providing their
> >> own insurance, that the
> >>>>> position paying that amount on a contracting
> >> basis in the LA area is a
> >>>>
> >>>>> little low. You could have pointed this out,
> >> hile being a little more
> >>>>
> >>>>> respectful and professional.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Craig Tompkins
> >>>>> CCIE #16921
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/17/07, Joseph Brunner
> >>
> >
> >
> <joe**@affirmedsystems.com<
> http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPa
> rt
> > =0&type=replyall&folder=INBOX&uid=22#Compose
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry, but $50 an hour is hardly $100k per
> >> year... and from that you
> >>>>> want
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> to buy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -business liability insurance
> >>>>>> -business errors & omissions insurance
> >> (usually required to get the
> >>>>> first)
> >>>>>> -the employers 7.2% share of social security
> >> (on the first $97,000)
> >>>>>> -my own health insurance -contribute to my
> >> own 401k.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't say this lightly, but go $#ck
> >> yourself. Do you think anyone
> >>>>>> any good is going to do that job for about
> >> $60k a year?
> >>>>>> < BR>> > > > > -Joe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From:
> >>
> >
> >
> nobody**@groupstudy.com<
> http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=
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> >> [mailto:
> >>>
> >>
> > nobody**@groupstudy.com<
> >
> >
>
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> > OX&uid=22#Compose>]
> >>> On Behalf
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Of Andrew Shin
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:36 PM
> >>>>>> To:
> >>
> > ccielab**@groupstudy.com<
> >
> >
>
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> >>>>>> Subject: Contract Position in Los Angeles
> >> area
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all, I'm forwarding this for a friend.
> >> I'll also post this on
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>> job
> >>>>>> board, but I'm not sure how many people
> >> ch eck that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1+ year local contract (hourly consultancy
> >> 50/hr range) in the Los
> >>>>> Angeles
> >>>>>> area (South Bay)
> >>>>>> It's with a well established and well known
> >> global company and has
> >>>>>> the likelihood of extending for a long time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Network Engineer
> >>>>>> Mid to Senior level NW Engineer who has
> >> large corporate NW
> >>>>>> engineering experience.
> >>>>>> WAN/LAN, VOIP.
> >>>>>> 7-10 years of NW Engineering experience
> >> Experience working within an
> >>>>
> >>>>>> environment that is comprised of Unix,
> >> Windows, and Mainframe (need
> >>>>>> to have worked with all three environments)
> >> Experience providing
> >>>>>> proof of concept and presenting design and
> >> recommendations to team
> >>>>>> members and management.
> >>>>>> Provide 3rd level support.
> >>>>>> Experience with Cisco 2600-7200 routers and
> >> Cisco 350 switches. E
> >>>>>> Experience with Firewall, PIX, VPN 3000
> >> Concentrator, ATM, and video
> >>>>
> >>>>>> conferencing.
> >>>>>> Professional with good communication
> >> abilities
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please contact
> >>
> > matthew.chontos**@ispace.com<http://email.secur
> >
> >
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> >>
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