From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Mon Aug 13 2007 - 00:26:48 ART
SRND is a great place to go, and that will give you some best practice
flavoring... The problem, of course, is that everyone's network is
different!
I'd look at theories in Priscilla Oppenheimer's "Top Down Network Design"
book. Personally, I take more of a bottom up approach, but I still take
into account everything at the application layer she talks about, so that's
an excellent way to get into that mindset.
In the end, experience is certainly going to tell you a lot. I'd pay
special attention to any stories you hear about things gone wrong! I'm all
for learning from mistakes, although I greatly prefer they are someone
else's mistakes. :)
Define "reasonable"? :) If your network is all messed up, and you need it
fixed ASAP and for good, then "reasonable" has a big range!
So, of course, I'm reasonable!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Loc Pham [mailto:ccie17030@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:22 PM
To: darth router; Scott Morris
Subject: Re: ccie-cert
I hope Scott consulting fee is reasonable for this tip ;-))) he he
For me, the Cisco SRND links is popular one.
Loc,
--- darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> what are some good real world design resources?
>
>
> DR
>
> On 8/13/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Being that none of the CCIEs really test you on
> real-world design or best
> > practices, unfortunately, I would say that there's
> just as likely a chance
> > of a multi-CCIE doing that as the aforementioned
> CCIE R&S + CCIP/CCSP/CCVP
> > person. While I would love to hope not in either
> case, having the
> > certification does nothing to prove common sense
> or good design
> > choices. ;)
> >
> > I have done troubleshooting consulting
> (post-design work) in situations
> > similar to that following those that I would term
> as "should have known
> > better" as well as those who "may not have known
> better". It doesn't make
> > ya feel better any direction, but nobody likes
> design training.
> >
> > I'm hoping this CCDE idea puts a different spin so
> we are less likely to
> > see
> > things like that. Technically functional, but
> just so wrong. :)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Brunner
> [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:17 PM
> > To: 'Richard Dumoulin'; 'Narbik Kocharians';
> 'Ramya S'
> > Cc: 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: ccie-cert
> >
> > Correct!
> >
> > Most enterprises are NOT good enterprises. I would
> love to work for one,
> > one
> > day that values quality work, rather than "sweep
> it under the rug". Here's
> > an example;
> >
> > I worked as a consultant for 4 months for a rather
> notable hedge fund that
> > has been in the news a lot lately. They had 6
> 6509's, with 2 of them being
> > a
> > core. The original network designer choose to use
> vlan 10,14,16,17,18,19
> > on
> > all the 6509's, yet made the core to core link a 2
> x 10gbps port-channel
> > LAYER 3 ROUTED LINK ONLY.
> >
> > The layer 2 topology was forced to converge
> through the access layer
> > 6509's
> > (no distribution layer, the other 4 were floor
> access/server switches).
> > When
> > their several dozen Netapp sans started
> replication, all user data was
> > very
> > slow. We found (quickly I might add) that making
> the 10Gbps port channel
> > between the core's a layer 2 link would allow a
> much faster path able to
> > keep up with the netapps. This problem had
> persisted for about 1 year
> > until
> > I fixed it.
> >
> > Now would a quadruple CCIE have designed this
> beast? Let's hope not!
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Dumoulin
> [mailto:Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:09 PM
> > To: Joseph Brunner; Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S
> > Cc: Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE : ccie-cert
> >
> > You are demonstrating that you don't know how good
> enterprises work (it is
> > all about money, there is no place for pride) plus
> there are many non
> > CCIEs
> > that kick our ass!
> >
> > -- Richard
> > CCIE #13891
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Joseph Brunner
> [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com] Envoyi : Sunday,
> > August
> > 12, 2007 10:07 PM @ : Richard Dumoulin; 'Narbik
> Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'
> > Cc : 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com Objet
> : RE: ccie-cert
> >
> > Penny wise, pound foolish... the IE and his team
> will be back to fix the
> > problems later, when the company is desperate to
> fix issues. They can
> > charge
> > $1000 per hour. The vp that hired the triple-P
> level engineer will be out
> > of
> > a job too. The quad IE will be offered that
> position in the company, which
> > he will decline, as he would rather keep socking
> it to cheap penny wise
> > organizations. Rinse, wash, repeat.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Richard Dumoulin
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:54 PM
> > To: Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S
> > Cc: Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE : ccie-cert
> >
> > Many companies would pick the first one because
> she is cheaper
> >
> > -- Richard
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] Envoyi : Sunday,
> > August 12, 2007 9:28 PM @ : Ramya S Cc : Scott
> Morris;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com Objet : Re: ccie-cert
> >
> > Sure, just imagine, someone says that he/she has a
> CCIE in R&S plus CCSP
> > and
> > CCIP and CCVP, versus a person with quad CCIE.
> > Which one would you pick, if everything else is
> equal?
> >
> >
> > On 8/12/07, Ramya S <ramya_1975@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Scott,
> > >
> > > Can one CCIE certificate and other professional
> level certificates of
> > > different tracks be helpful if one is in
> marketing/sales or even
> > > management.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ramya
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: smorris@ipexpert.com> To:
> ramya_1975@hotmail.com;
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE: ccie-cert>
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007
> > > 13:11:47 -0400> > One is enough to certify your
> expertise. Additional
> > > ones are good if you do> consulting jobs in more
> than one technical
> > > area (e.g.
> > > marketing) or if you> work for a partner
> (specialization points for
> > > them means more value). Or if> you just get
> bored easily. :)> > Scott
> > > > > -----Original
> > > Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > Message-----> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of> Ramya S> Sent: Sunday, August 12,
> 2007 1:03 PM> To:
>
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