From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Aug 12 2007 - 21:56:00 ART
Scott,
what are some good real world design resources?
DR
On 8/13/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Being that none of the CCIEs really test you on real-world design or best
> practices, unfortunately, I would say that there's just as likely a chance
> of a multi-CCIE doing that as the aforementioned CCIE R&S + CCIP/CCSP/CCVP
> person. While I would love to hope not in either case, having the
> certification does nothing to prove common sense or good design
> choices. ;)
>
> I have done troubleshooting consulting (post-design work) in situations
> similar to that following those that I would term as "should have known
> better" as well as those who "may not have known better". It doesn't make
> ya feel better any direction, but nobody likes design training.
>
> I'm hoping this CCDE idea puts a different spin so we are less likely to
> see
> things like that. Technically functional, but just so wrong. :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:17 PM
> To: 'Richard Dumoulin'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'
> Cc: 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: ccie-cert
>
> Correct!
>
> Most enterprises are NOT good enterprises. I would love to work for one,
> one
> day that values quality work, rather than "sweep it under the rug". Here's
> an example;
>
> I worked as a consultant for 4 months for a rather notable hedge fund that
> has been in the news a lot lately. They had 6 6509's, with 2 of them being
> a
> core. The original network designer choose to use vlan 10,14,16,17,18,19
> on
> all the 6509's, yet made the core to core link a 2 x 10gbps port-channel
> LAYER 3 ROUTED LINK ONLY.
>
> The layer 2 topology was forced to converge through the access layer
> 6509's
> (no distribution layer, the other 4 were floor access/server switches).
> When
> their several dozen Netapp sans started replication, all user data was
> very
> slow. We found (quickly I might add) that making the 10Gbps port channel
> between the core's a layer 2 link would allow a much faster path able to
> keep up with the netapps. This problem had persisted for about 1 year
> until
> I fixed it.
>
> Now would a quadruple CCIE have designed this beast? Let's hope not!
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr]
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:09 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S
> Cc: Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE : ccie-cert
>
> You are demonstrating that you don't know how good enterprises work (it is
> all about money, there is no place for pride) plus there are many non
> CCIEs
> that kick our ass!
>
> -- Richard
> CCIE #13891
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com] Envoyi : Sunday,
> August
> 12, 2007 10:07 PM @ : Richard Dumoulin; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'
> Cc : 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com Objet : RE: ccie-cert
>
> Penny wise, pound foolish... the IE and his team will be back to fix the
> problems later, when the company is desperate to fix issues. They can
> charge
> $1000 per hour. The vp that hired the triple-P level engineer will be out
> of
> a job too. The quad IE will be offered that position in the company, which
> he will decline, as he would rather keep socking it to cheap penny wise
> organizations. Rinse, wash, repeat.
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard Dumoulin
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:54 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S
> Cc: Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE : ccie-cert
>
> Many companies would pick the first one because she is cheaper
>
> -- Richard
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] Envoyi : Sunday,
> August 12, 2007 9:28 PM @ : Ramya S Cc : Scott Morris;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com Objet : Re: ccie-cert
>
> Sure, just imagine, someone says that he/she has a CCIE in R&S plus CCSP
> and
> CCIP and CCVP, versus a person with quad CCIE.
> Which one would you pick, if everything else is equal?
>
>
> On 8/12/07, Ramya S <ramya_1975@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Scott,
> >
> > Can one CCIE certificate and other professional level certificates of
> > different tracks be helpful if one is in marketing/sales or even
> > management.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ramya
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: smorris@ipexpert.com> To: ramya_1975@hotmail.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE: ccie-cert> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007
> > 13:11:47 -0400> > One is enough to certify your expertise. Additional
> > ones are good if you do> consulting jobs in more than one technical
> > area (e.g.
> > marketing) or if you> work for a partner (specialization points for
> > them means more value). Or if> you just get bored easily. :)> > Scott
> > > > -----Original
> > Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > Message-----> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of> Ramya S> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 PM> To:
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: ccie-cert> > Hi group,> > Are there
> > any benefits in holding multiple CCIE certifications or just one> is
> > enough to certify you as an expert.> > Regards,> Ramya>
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