From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 10 2007 - 11:30:10 ART
No doubt.
Scary considering the R/S written covers quite a lot of features for layer 2
security.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Scott Morris'"
<smorris@ipexpert.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
> Ok, maybe I was stretching it a bit with the simple VLAN comment, but I
> have
> witnessed personally two Security CCIE's that did not have much of a clue
> when it came to switching.
>
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:18 AM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
>
> Then there is the 'old CCIE R/S' stuff still lurking..ISDN..ATM..maybe old
> bridging protcols SRB, DLSW+ and DECNet. Even a 3.12 Novell server hiding
> someplace running IPX/SPX.
>
> It's off the workbooks but may be chugging away in a datacentre/computer
> room near you someplace. It happens.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> To: "'Muhammad Nasim'" <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>; "'Salau, Yemi'"
> <yemi.salau@siemens.com>
> Cc: "'Tony Schaffran'" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; "'Anekwe, Abdul'"
> <Abdul.Anekwe@sig.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
>
>
>> Would it amaze you to see and R&S CCIE that cannot put security
>> configurations on an ASA?
>>
>> Everyone has their niches of experience.
>>
>> I think that vlans on a switch may be stretching it a little, because
>> they
>> SHOULD know how to do that from their lab exam! But I'm sure there are
>> many
>> things that aren't known how to do. Each CCIE has it's limits, and it's
>> up
>> to the individual beyond that.
>>
>> IMHO the more important thing was whether this CCIE was able to look
>> things
>> up and fix the problem or simply walked away. THAT is the bigger issue.
>> But
>> nobody knows everything, and I hear things all the time that >I< think
>> should be common knowledge, but based on someone else's experience and
>> history may not be. Everyone is different.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
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>>
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Muhammad Nasim
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:49 AM
>> To: Salau, Yemi
>> Cc: Tony Schaffran; Anekwe, Abdul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
>>
>> This really hurts me :) as I am going towards my CCIE w/o having CCIE R/S
>>
>> but believe me I can do VLAN Configuration on the switches :)
>>
>> Its really amazing that a CCIE Sec don't know how to do VLAN
>> configuration
>> on the switches
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/07, Salau, Yemi <yemi.salau@siemens.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In all honesty, I don't see any reason why Security CCIEs should be
>>> dealing with FrameRelay, however to hear that, they there are few ones
>>> who can't deal with VLAN configuration on switches is simply
>>> overwhelming.
>>>
>>> Many Thanks
>>>
>>> Yemi Salau
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Tony Schaffran
>>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:33 PM
>>> To: 'Anekwe, Abdul'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
>>>
>>> In my opinion, it is not really about which path has more value, it is
>>> more about applying that path you have chosen.
>>>
>>> What path is your career taking you? Are you more of a security
>>> engineer or a voice engineer? Are you looking at being an instructor
>>> where you might consider getting each one?
>>>
>>> Have you heard of the term, jack of all trades, master of none?
>>> Multiple
>>> CCIE does not necessarily mean more valuable. Value is determined by
>>> the needs of the employer.
>>>
>>> It is not the CCIE path that will determine the value, but rather how
>>> you apply yourself in that path.
>>>
>>> Regardless of what path you decide to take, consider starting with the
>>> R&S as it is the foundation to most networking.
>>>
>>> I have seen a number of Security CCIE's that had no clue how to
>>> configure a Frame Relay interface or even a simple VLAN configuration
>>> on a switch.
>>> For
>>> me, I would not have much confidence in their CCIE abilities at that
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Schaffran
>>> Network Analyst
>>> CCIE #11071
>>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>>
>>> www.cconlinelabs.com
>>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Anekwe, Abdul
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:56 PM
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
>>>
>>> All, ..I'm real curious. Been in the network engineering field for
>>> like
>>> 12 years, and after passing the CCIE-RS written and failing at the
>>> lab, I took time off, but I'm back at it again (passed the written and
>>> now prepping for my lab). But I have a question for you all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ... in today's market place, which one is more valuable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CCIE-Voice, CCIE R&S, CCIE Security or another other CCIE path?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm just curious .....is there anyone more asked about than the other?
>>> Any more valuable in today's market place than the other? What are
>>> clients, employee's asking about when it comes to skill set or demands.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Curious to hear your input.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh by the way....been a silent listener to Groupstudy for years. Very
>>> very good bulletin board.. Been like that for sometime.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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