From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 2007 - 06:56:31 ART
Good points Daniel.
I think CCIE's should know about 4/5/6/7 series. I have encountered lots of
this stuff in the field. No doubt many other folks have as well, but those
recently chasing the cert may have not perhaps particularly the dynamips
people.
I recall covering the Catalyst switch range for my CCNP way back. It stood
me in good stead back then and still does today. So doing the switching
track there may be of benefit to folks.
In defence of the CCIE..
There is coverage on the written recommended reading list for lots of these
things. Read widely!
I imagine 6500's might not be cost effective for the remote rack vendors.
Protocol theory works across platforms.
Configuration approaches have similarities.
Not supposed to be *extensive* coverage of hardware.
The cons amounting to pressure in the field..
Models not practiced on for lab prep found in core/distribution and access
layers of production networks.
CatOS dooms some people.
Module fun.
Quirks with features and configuration with L3 switch hardware unknown to
some lab candidates.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: <Daniel_Steyn@Dell.com>
To: <Jason_Plank@condenast.com>; <dtodd@PARTNERS.ORG>;
<serhataslan22@yahoo.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>I also think that the CCIE is technology focused - not hardware focused.
> Anyone who thinks that Cisco's main business is hardware is horribly
> mistaken. I hope that Cisco continues to test us on technologies and
> features that will last for a long time and therefore hold the value of
> the CCIE. Testing us on hardware specific information means that they
> are testing us on information that will be legacy in 4 years.
>
> At the same time, I agree with you Jason. Any "expert" in this field is
> expected to know the enterprise platforms inside and out - including the
> 6500s. But we have to ask ourselves...how many CCIE level questions can
> come out of 6500 hardware? Not many at all. I think that Cisco needs
> to include 6500 information into the written exam and stay software
> focused on the lab. Let's not forget that Cisco also recommends
> experience before taking a CCIE.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jason Plank
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:35 PM
> To: Douglas M Todd, Jr; serhat aslan
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>
> Give me a break. I see and read from CCIE's that get thrown in a
> production
> environment and are expected to understand the 6500 platform and they
> simply
> do not. They do not understand BASIC things like resetting modules. To
> me if
> you are going to call someone an expert they should have some clue about
> your top product.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/21/07 12:23 PM, "Douglas M Todd, Jr" <dtodd@PARTNERS.ORG> wrote:
>
>> Well -
>>
>> Does not matter whether the platform is a 6500 or a 3500 or a 2900.
> The
>> thing that matters is that you understand the concepts and technology.
>> Sure there are big differences between the platforms, but what does it
>> matter? If the test is standardized so it will support 4-5 modules
> then
>> you just need to know the specifics on those modules. The bigger issue
>> is what they support for technology and settings which differ between
>> the modules.
>>
>> Personally, the 6500 is a fine box and just as understandable as a
> 3500.
>> A router is a router and a switch is a switch. STP works the same on
>> both boxes, ospf/eigrp/rip the same, nat, access-lists etc. Sure
> there
>> may be some different options available, but the core technologies are
>> the same on either platform.
>>
>> Debugging would be more problematic on a 6500 since a lot of
> information
>> is not seen due to the hardware platform architecture.
>>
>> If you understand the hardcore topics then the 6500 is just another
> box,
>> more expensive, but a box none the less.
>>
>> Personally, I would welcome the 6500 on the lab exam since this is
> what
>> you will find in a lot of corporations. However, it really does not
>> matter nor make sense to have this box on the lab exam. I would doubt
>> they would put it on the exam when other boxes perform the needed
>> functionality, are at a fraction of the price, have a smaller
> footprint.
>>
>> The need is the technology not necessarily the platform.
>>
>> DMT
>>
>>
>>
>> serhat aslan wrote:
>>> Especially I don't want to see 6500 at R&S.
>>> 6500 series more than a modular switch (as well as 76xx) it is an
> unique
>>> platform(!). And has got many different type of modules then the
> other
>>> competitors can't do (ACE, CSS, IPS, VPN, NAM, etc...). And all
> these
>>> modules are result of different demands. For instance,
> IPS->CCIE-Security,
>>> CSS-Storage(or I thought). By the way some them are stand on the
>>> cutting-edge.
>>> R&S-lab is testing the protocols behaviors and features. Although
> design
>>> effected the nature of the routing/problem, R&S-lab has no worries on
> the
>>> design concepts(?) with integrating advanced security, L5 switching,
> etc.. .
>>> My opinion is 6500 must address at the CCIE-Architecture
>>> Pls. don't mix the architecture base Capabilities + Design concepts
> vs
>>> Protocol type problems. If The main problem is to interact the real
> life
>>> situations, more effective method is setting up the mixed
> heterogeneous
>>> network. If they could use F5,Checkpoint,Nortel,Alcatel,Juniper,
> 3-party
>>> equipments, it seems reasonable to me interact the real real-life
> problems.
>>> As the last point, there are a lot of best practices published at
> networker
>>> series. AFAIK, at least for the effective Cat6500 test we have to
> use min. 2
>>> of them and normally 4.
>>>
>>> Serhat Aslan
>>>
>>>
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