From: cisco efiko (ciscoefiko@googlemail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 2007 - 06:21:38 ART
Du,
The troubleshooting bit of the examshould have been introduced into the
INITIAL config waiting for you to resolve. Not to introduce something an
hour to go, that would be crazy!
I know there are Cisco employees on this list, any one from Europe to verify
this please?
E
On 6/21/07, Du, Jianbo <jdu@ebay.com> wrote:
>
>
> From my understanding, it is a part of troubleshooting. Is it possible
> from your view?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Jerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> cisco efiko
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:59 PM
> To: joh willi
> Cc: Shakeer AC; Joe Rinehart; Salau, Yemi; CCIE SG
> Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
>
> Guys,
>
> I think all the Europe guys should do a mail to Cisco concerning this
> ASAP, and anyone else in the world that cares enough about it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Efiko.
>
>
> On 6/21/07, joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi GS,
> >
> > I think that this is happening only in Brussels. Anyone who took in
> > other parts could comment on this?.
> > Making the running config useless (1hr before end of exam) is not
> > acceptable. I am afraid to take the exam in Brussels.
> > If this is happening only in Brussels, I think senior members should
> > report to CISCO or warn the other candidate not to take exam in
> > Brussels. What do you think?.
> >
> > - Joh.
> >
> > On 6/21/07, Shakeer AC <shakeerac@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Guys I am the new victim yesterday IN BRUSSELS.
> > >
> > > I had finshed the configs by lunch time. I checked once and
> > > everythng
> > was
> > > working.
> > >
> > > The second time i checked i found the the redistribute has been
> > > taken
> > off
> > > from ospf.
> > >
> > > also the multicast ip's was nnot reachable all of a sudden. one of
> > > the
> > BB
> > > ip's got changed.
> > >
> > > All these were last one hour changes. So guys better lock the
> > > proctor
> > from
> > > the lab before you start the exam.
> > >
> > > I have been reading lots of mail on this but this is the fact .
> > >
> > > Whatso ever this is not professional from Cisco and lets hope this
> > > will end soon.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Shakeer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/19/07, Joe Rinehart <jjrinehart@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well what goes around comes around...maybe that's why it took me
> > > > FIVE attempts :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Salau, Yemi
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:07 AM
> > > > To: Joe Rinehart; CCIE SG
> > > > Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> > > >
> > > > In the Lab, He who brings down his Layer-2 should also be the one
> > > > to
> > > bring
> > > > it back up... At least he will find this out one way or the other.
> > > > Although I suppose there are those who use CCIE Lab Racks as
> > > > another collection of Practise Labs.
> > > >
> > > > With regards to Proctors, I have decided to be diplomatic, maybe
> > > > when
> > I
> > > > get
> > > > my magic numbers I wouldn't .... But for now, Proctors are my best
> > > friends
> > > > in this Business :-) lol!
> > > >
> > > > Many Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Yemi Salau
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Joe
> > > > Rinehart
> > > > Sent: 18 June 2007 18:34
> > > > To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Scott Morris'
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> > > >
> > > > Although occasionally a lab candidate will do something
> > > > unintentional
> > > like
> > > > setting PAGP unconditionally that subsequently takes down the
> > > > entire
> > > Layer
> > > > 2
> > > > switching backbone in the lab...
> > > >
> > > > Although that is just an anecdotal tale :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Gary
> > > > Duncanson
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:24 AM
> > > > To: Scott Morris
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> > > >
> > > > I think this is just another manifestation of 'The Fear'.
> > > >
> > > > Proctors do not sabotage or screw around with lab candidates
> > > > configurations.
> > > >
> > > > They do read groupstudy though :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> > > > To: "'Digital Yemeni'" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>; <
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:41 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > CCIE Ghost Whisperers? ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > While personally, I would expect the troubleshooting portion to
> > expand
> > > > a
> > > > > bit, the ideas where I see it going have nothing to do with
> > > > > live, intermittant, random things being injected. That would be
>
> > > > > unfair on
> > > > many
> > > > > levels.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > > > > #4713,
> > > > JNCIE
> > > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > > >
> > > > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > > > >
> > > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > Digital Yemeni
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:31 AM
> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> > > > >
> > > > > While it's VERY unreasonable for something like this to happen,
> > > > > the
> > > > only
> > > > > worry is that spreading of these rumors may make them come for
> > > > > real
> > > > one
> > > > > day!! :) I guess some guys are just stressed before even
> > > > > entering
> > the
> > > > > lab!!
> > > > > ;-) If anyone has this amount of stress before even getting into
>
> > > > > the
> > > > real
> > > > > thing i would assure you that he/she can see ghosts on the lab
> > booklet
> > > > as
> > > > > well! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/18/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> While obviously it's hard to track things like that, I'd
> > > > >> venture to say there's nothing the proctor has to gain by doing
>
> > > > >> things like
> > that
> > > > >> mid-config. If they wanted to make you fail, they could just
> > > > >> wait until the end of the exam and change whatever they felt
> > > > >> like
> > > > changing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> While troubleshooting IS indeed part of the testing process,
> > > > >> it's fairly well spelled out. And from what I remember reading
>
> > > > >> in Maurillio's Ask-the-Expert Q&A session on NetPro, it was
> > specifically
> > > > >> mentioned about the problems in startup configs and not ongoing
> > > > changes
> > > > > introduced.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Depending on your process of configuration, (e.g. cut 'n'
> > > > >> paste)
> > I'd
> > > > >> say there's a myriad of possibilities to introduce errors like
> > > > >> that all by yourself without any outside intervention.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> No offense to anyone who mentions this has happened to them,
> > > > >> but
> > it's
> > > > >> just not plausible. If the proctor had it out for you, in that
> > they
> > > > >> wanted you to fail, there are so many other ways to do it
> > > > >> without introducing the potential of getting caught that this
> > > > >> makes no
> > sense.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > > > >> #4713, JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > >> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > >> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > > >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > > >> http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > >> Of wjoh71@gmail.com
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:55 AM
> > > > >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >> Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hello,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I also had the same problem. 30 minutes before the end of exam
>
> > > > >> in BRUSSELS, I noticed a couple of changes in the routers and
> > switches.
> > > > >> For example,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1. network statement (ip address ) under ospf got changed.
> > > > >> 2. area 1 nssa kept in the other router though i configured in
> > > > >> the right router.
> > > > >> 3. additional eigrp process was running in the router.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am not sure whether these are part of exam troubleshooting or
> > these
> > > > >> are introduced by the proctors intentionally to make the
> > > > >> candidates
> > > > to
> > > > > fail.
> > > > >> Could any one comment on this?.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks,
> > > > >> Joh
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Best Regards!
> > > > > Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough
> > > > > $$
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > me!
> > > > > :p
> > > > >
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