From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Wed Jun 20 2007 - 09:07:15 ART
Yeah.
It's not so bad for those in the field, you have to work with 4/4/6xxx
switches out there. The CCNP switching exam gets into it (or used to in 2001
when I did it). Things may have changed there though. Dunno.
Bummer for labrats hung up on 3550's and 3560's though.
I imagine IT staff starry eyed about working with a CCIE for the first time
only to watch them flounder with the 4/5/6xxx switches they have been
supporting quite happily without CCIE's for s few years.
This stuff gets missed while folks dash off to learn and work with the
hardware that is still on topic for the lab exam.
If you don't have experience of this stuff, get some old books off amazon
and old gear off ebay, or expect to suffer at a datacentre near you some
day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Plank" <Jason_Plank@condenast.com>
To: "Serdar Kut" <kutserdar@gmail.com>; "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk@gmail.com>
Cc: "Mike Kraus (mikraus)" <mikraus@cisco.com>; "Eric Dobyns"
<eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>; "Digital Yemeni" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>I actually think that's one thing the CCIE program could do to become a bit
> more legit. The 3560 is a crap product seldom used in an enterprise. There
> are a ton of CCIE's that have very little understanding of the chassis,
> backplane, SUPs, modules available, and etc. Switching is switching...
> Agreed, but how can you be considered a CCIE if you don't have a SOLID
> understanding of the product that cisco is putting all of it's R&D into.
> You
> don't see them evolving the 4500 series... They are _just_ switches. The
> 6500's they want to be able to do everything. (IDS, FWSM, VPN, CMM, and
> ETC)
>
> Maybe part of the lab should be doing a SUP 720 upgrade going from Catos
> to
> Native IOS :):)
>
>
> On 6/20/07 4:55 AM, "Serdar Kut" <kutserdar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be aware of 6500
>> and
>> 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think. And also, as a CCIE,
>> most
>> of time I deal with big chasis, not much with 3560s or less.
>> It should be good I think
>>
>>
>>
>> Serdar Kut
>> CCIE#18130
>>
>>
>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the closest thing to
>>> the
>>> real world. No matter where you go these days, you see at least one 6500
>>> series up and running. I think it would benefit the program. You may see
>>> a
>>> 3560 here and there, but you will definitely see a lot of firms having
>>> 6500
>>> series. To be honest i typically see a mixture of 4000/4500 and a 6500
>>> in
>>> a
>>> collapsed core design.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) <mikraus@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really don't see them
>>>> starting to test on the service modules on the 6500 in the R&S. And,
>>>> in
>>>> many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity. So, it would cost
>>>> the
>>>> CCIE program more money, a more rack space, but doesn't really give
>>>> them
>>>> many more test topics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Eric Dobyns
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
>>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which basically
>>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Digital Yemeni
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget limitations and
>>>> brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
>>>>
>>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the confirmation
>>>> (not
>>>> the
>>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>> CCSI#30482
>>>>>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) YES! We
>>>>>> take Cisco Learning credits!
>>>>>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced Technology
>>>>>> Rental
>>>>>> Racks)
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>> CCSI# 30832
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards!
>>>> Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$ out
>>>> of
>>>> me!
>>>> :p
>>>>
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>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>> CCSI# 30832
>>>
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