From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 15 2007 - 06:00:19 ART
IE is certainly popular.
I have IPExpert's workbook at the moment and I think it's a very good
product. I may try a second vendor book later on for variety.
Groupstudy is very helpful. I don't pay too much attention to sadikhov as
that place is full of posts about written dumps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erich Herzog" <erichherzog@gmail.com>
To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: training material question
> Look at the groupstudy prof board, and sadikhov. When people volunteer
> that
> they have passed, I think all that I have seen have said they used IE. Not
> to say other WBs are not good, thats just what the community seems to be
> saying.
>
>
>
> Erich
> On 6/15/07, jslauer@hotmail.com <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I Completely agree,
>>
>> I've been more than satisfied with every product out there (with
>> exception
>> of that one) so I'm onboard with that statement.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>> To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
>> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:20 PM
>> Subject: RE: training material question
>>
>> Please don't take what I said wrong. What I'm saying is that people
>> should really look into a vendor's "track record" and not get fooled by
>> fancy marketing and/or flashy websites when searching for CCIE training.
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jslauer@hotmail.com [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:51 PM
>> To: anthony.sequeira@thomson.com; narbikk@gmail.com; Brian Dennis
>> Cc: broyster9@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: training material question
>>
>> I would agree,
>>
>> counting CCIE's on a vendors website is not a very accurate metric
>> considering many people use products from multiple vendors and give
>> testimonials to multiple vendors. Personally, I used products from most
>> of
>> the vendors. I only attended one training class (NetmasterClass) and
>> they
>> were the bomb. I had good success with all the products with exception
>> of
>> one vendor who does not even exist anymore.
>>
>> Josh
>> CCIE 16024
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <anthony.sequeira@thomson.com>
>> To: <narbikk@gmail.com>; <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>> Cc: <broyster9@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:41 PM
>> Subject: RE: training material question
>>
>> > Counting the peeps on the site is the last thing I would do when
>> > choosing a vendor. In fact, I would never bother to do it.
>> >
>> > After passing using the materials of several vendors, I would
>> recommend
>> > the following:
>> >
>> > 1. Ask for a sample or tour of the product you are considering.
>> Evaluate
>> > the materials carefully.
>> >
>> > 2. Explore the Support options that are available with the vendor. Do
>> > they have chat, forums, 800 numbers, etc. Are these actually monitored
>> > by qualified employees of that company?
>> >
>> > Something else to consider is using multiple vendors. While vendors
>> > certainly do not want to hear that recommendation, most here,
>> including
>> > myself, believe that some vendors excel at certain products compared
>> to
>> > others.
>> >
>> > Anthony J. Sequeira
>> > #15626
>> >
>> > P.S. I used products from InternetworkExpert and NetMasterClass and
>> both
>> > were excellent. Support was lacking at InternetworkExpert, but I
>> believe
>> > they have that solved now.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > Narbik Kocharians
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:00 PM
>> > To: Brian Dennis
>> > Cc: Brent Royster; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: training material question
>> >
>> > Brian,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You have a point, but what you fail to mention is the following:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Your statement does NOT reflect the truth; it fails to mention the
>> > actual
>> > number of passing students relative to the number of attendees, which
>> I
>> > would surmise to be a low percentage.
>> >
>> > If Vendor-1 has 10 students and 3 pass, Vendor-1 has a passing
>> > percentage of
>> > 30 percent. But if Vendor-2 has 100 students and only 16 pass,
>> > Vendor-2's
>> > ratio is 16 percent, that does not mean that Vendor-2 has a better
>> > product,
>> > from Vendor-2's perspective, it has 16 passing students versus 3, but
>> > the
>> > truth of the matter is that Vendor-1 has a better percentage and
>> > product.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/14/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You can get a good idea as to the number of people that are passing
>> >> using a particular vendor's products and classes by looking over
>> their
>> >> CCIE lists and customer feedback. As a side note any vendor that
>> > tells
>> >> you it doesn't matter how many people are using their products and
>> >> classes to pass the CCIE lab won't have a long list of CCIEs on their
>> >> website ;-)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>> >>
>> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> > Of
>> >> Brent Royster
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:06 AM
>> >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >> Subject: training material question
>> >>
>> >> I am interested in buying one of the class on demand options from
>> >> multiple
>> >> vendors. Its mentioned on the websites that these are like full
>> >> bootcamps.
>> >> has anyone who passed the lab used this material? If so how well
>> > would
>> >> you
>> >> rate it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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>> > --
>> > Narbik Kocharians
>> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> > CCSI# 30832
>> > Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor)
>> > www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
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