From: Farrukh Haroon (farrukhharoon@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 15 2007 - 08:58:20 ART
I personally think IE has an excellent COD for both R/S and Security, but
their decision to go with Adobe was a big mistake. There was no sync problem
with Audio / Video with their previous software, it even worked fine on
Dail-up.
Getting rid with Adobe and getting something better would solve all this.
Regards
Farrukh
On 6/15/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> IE is certainly popular.
>
> I have IPExpert's workbook at the moment and I think it's a very good
> product. I may try a second vendor book later on for variety.
>
> Groupstudy is very helpful. I don't pay too much attention to sadikhov as
> that place is full of posts about written dumps.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erich Herzog" <erichherzog@gmail.com>
> To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: training material question
>
>
> > Look at the groupstudy prof board, and sadikhov. When people volunteer
> > that
> > they have passed, I think all that I have seen have said they used IE.
> Not
> > to say other WBs are not good, thats just what the community seems to be
> > saying.
> >
> >
> >
> > Erich
> > On 6/15/07, jslauer@hotmail.com <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I Completely agree,
> >>
> >> I've been more than satisfied with every product out there (with
> >> exception
> >> of that one) so I'm onboard with that statement.
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> >> To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> >> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:20 PM
> >> Subject: RE: training material question
> >>
> >> Please don't take what I said wrong. What I'm saying is that people
> >> should really look into a vendor's "track record" and not get fooled by
> >> fancy marketing and/or flashy websites when searching for CCIE
> training.
> >>
> >> Good Luck!
> >>
> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jslauer@hotmail.com [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:51 PM
> >> To: anthony.sequeira@thomson.com; narbikk@gmail.com; Brian Dennis
> >> Cc: broyster9@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: training material question
> >>
> >> I would agree,
> >>
> >> counting CCIE's on a vendors website is not a very accurate metric
> >> considering many people use products from multiple vendors and give
> >> testimonials to multiple vendors. Personally, I used products from most
> >> of
> >> the vendors. I only attended one training class (NetmasterClass) and
> >> they
> >> were the bomb. I had good success with all the products with exception
> >> of
> >> one vendor who does not even exist anymore.
> >>
> >> Josh
> >> CCIE 16024
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <anthony.sequeira@thomson.com>
> >> To: <narbikk@gmail.com>; <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> >> Cc: <broyster9@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:41 PM
> >> Subject: RE: training material question
> >>
> >> > Counting the peeps on the site is the last thing I would do when
> >> > choosing a vendor. In fact, I would never bother to do it.
> >> >
> >> > After passing using the materials of several vendors, I would
> >> recommend
> >> > the following:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Ask for a sample or tour of the product you are considering.
> >> Evaluate
> >> > the materials carefully.
> >> >
> >> > 2. Explore the Support options that are available with the vendor. Do
> >> > they have chat, forums, 800 numbers, etc. Are these actually
> monitored
> >> > by qualified employees of that company?
> >> >
> >> > Something else to consider is using multiple vendors. While vendors
> >> > certainly do not want to hear that recommendation, most here,
> >> including
> >> > myself, believe that some vendors excel at certain products compared
> >> to
> >> > others.
> >> >
> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira
> >> > #15626
> >> >
> >> > P.S. I used products from InternetworkExpert and NetMasterClass and
> >> both
> >> > were excellent. Support was lacking at InternetworkExpert, but I
> >> believe
> >> > they have that solved now.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> Of
> >> > Narbik Kocharians
> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:00 PM
> >> > To: Brian Dennis
> >> > Cc: Brent Royster; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > Subject: Re: training material question
> >> >
> >> > Brian,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You have a point, but what you fail to mention is the following:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Your statement does NOT reflect the truth; it fails to mention the
> >> > actual
> >> > number of passing students relative to the number of attendees, which
> >> I
> >> > would surmise to be a low percentage.
> >> >
> >> > If Vendor-1 has 10 students and 3 pass, Vendor-1 has a passing
> >> > percentage of
> >> > 30 percent. But if Vendor-2 has 100 students and only 16 pass,
> >> > Vendor-2's
> >> > ratio is 16 percent, that does not mean that Vendor-2 has a better
> >> > product,
> >> > from Vendor-2's perspective, it has 16 passing students versus 3, but
> >> > the
> >> > truth of the matter is that Vendor-1 has a better percentage and
> >> > product.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 6/14/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> You can get a good idea as to the number of people that are passing
> >> >> using a particular vendor's products and classes by looking over
> >> their
> >> >> CCIE lists and customer feedback. As a side note any vendor that
> >> > tells
> >> >> you it doesn't matter how many people are using their products and
> >> >> classes to pass the CCIE lab won't have a long list of CCIEs on
> their
> >> >> website ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >> >>
> >> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> >> Brent Royster
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:06 AM
> >> >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> >> Subject: training material question
> >> >>
> >> >> I am interested in buying one of the class on demand options from
> >> >> multiple
> >> >> vendors. Its mentioned on the websites that these are like full
> >> >> bootcamps.
> >> >> has anyone who passed the lab used this material? If so how well
> >> > would
> >> >> you
> >> >> rate it?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Narbik Kocharians
> >> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >> > CCSI# 30832
> >> > Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor)
> >> > www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
> >> >
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