From: Erich Herzog (erichherzog@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 14 2007 - 20:52:10 ART
Look at the groupstudy prof board, and sadikhov. When people volunteer that
they have passed, I think all that I have seen have said they used IE. Not
to say other WBs are not good, thats just what the community seems to be
saying.
Erich
On 6/15/07, jslauer@hotmail.com <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I Completely agree,
>
> I've been more than satisfied with every product out there (with exception
> of that one) so I'm onboard with that statement.
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:20 PM
> Subject: RE: training material question
>
> Please don't take what I said wrong. What I'm saying is that people
> should really look into a vendor's "track record" and not get fooled by
> fancy marketing and/or flashy websites when searching for CCIE training.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jslauer@hotmail.com [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:51 PM
> To: anthony.sequeira@thomson.com; narbikk@gmail.com; Brian Dennis
> Cc: broyster9@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: training material question
>
> I would agree,
>
> counting CCIE's on a vendors website is not a very accurate metric
> considering many people use products from multiple vendors and give
> testimonials to multiple vendors. Personally, I used products from most
> of
> the vendors. I only attended one training class (NetmasterClass) and
> they
> were the bomb. I had good success with all the products with exception
> of
> one vendor who does not even exist anymore.
>
> Josh
> CCIE 16024
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <anthony.sequeira@thomson.com>
> To: <narbikk@gmail.com>; <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> Cc: <broyster9@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:41 PM
> Subject: RE: training material question
>
> > Counting the peeps on the site is the last thing I would do when
> > choosing a vendor. In fact, I would never bother to do it.
> >
> > After passing using the materials of several vendors, I would
> recommend
> > the following:
> >
> > 1. Ask for a sample or tour of the product you are considering.
> Evaluate
> > the materials carefully.
> >
> > 2. Explore the Support options that are available with the vendor. Do
> > they have chat, forums, 800 numbers, etc. Are these actually monitored
> > by qualified employees of that company?
> >
> > Something else to consider is using multiple vendors. While vendors
> > certainly do not want to hear that recommendation, most here,
> including
> > myself, believe that some vendors excel at certain products compared
> to
> > others.
> >
> > Anthony J. Sequeira
> > #15626
> >
> > P.S. I used products from InternetworkExpert and NetMasterClass and
> both
> > were excellent. Support was lacking at InternetworkExpert, but I
> believe
> > they have that solved now.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Narbik Kocharians
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:00 PM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: Brent Royster; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: training material question
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> >
> >
> > You have a point, but what you fail to mention is the following:
> >
> >
> >
> > Your statement does NOT reflect the truth; it fails to mention the
> > actual
> > number of passing students relative to the number of attendees, which
> I
> > would surmise to be a low percentage.
> >
> > If Vendor-1 has 10 students and 3 pass, Vendor-1 has a passing
> > percentage of
> > 30 percent. But if Vendor-2 has 100 students and only 16 pass,
> > Vendor-2's
> > ratio is 16 percent, that does not mean that Vendor-2 has a better
> > product,
> > from Vendor-2's perspective, it has 16 passing students versus 3, but
> > the
> > truth of the matter is that Vendor-1 has a better percentage and
> > product.
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You can get a good idea as to the number of people that are passing
> >> using a particular vendor's products and classes by looking over
> their
> >> CCIE lists and customer feedback. As a side note any vendor that
> > tells
> >> you it doesn't matter how many people are using their products and
> >> classes to pass the CCIE lab won't have a long list of CCIEs on their
> >> website ;-)
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> >> Brent Royster
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:06 AM
> >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: training material question
> >>
> >> I am interested in buying one of the class on demand options from
> >> multiple
> >> vendors. Its mentioned on the websites that these are like full
> >> bootcamps.
> >> has anyone who passed the lab used this material? If so how well
> > would
> >> you
> >> rate it?
> >>
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> >> Subscription information may be found at:
> >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> >> Subscription information may be found at:
> >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Narbik Kocharians
> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > CCSI# 30832
> > Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor)
> > www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> > Subscription information may be found at:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> > Subscription information may be found at:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Subscription information may be found at:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Sun Jul 01 2007 - 17:24:49 ART